Say it Sister...
Lucy and Karen, two 40-somethings, are always chatting about life, and all that it has to throw at them, and now want to share their raw, honest conversations with you. Their journey of self-discovery and healing is something many of us can relate to. We all possess a unique power within us, but life’s trials often knock us off course. They have the tools, the courage to speak up and simply say it as it is, so you might feel seen, and understood and gain practical tools and techniques for self-discovery and personal growth during the changes we experience.
Say it Sister...
The Witch Wound and Empowering Women's Voices
Have you ever wondered how the term "witch" became synonymous with evil and how it's tied to the silencing of women's voices over the centuries? Join us for a spellbinding conversation with our guest Karen as we uncover the captivating history and cultural impact of the "witch wound." With personal stories that touch on heart energy and the mystical sensitivities of Karen's daughter, Catalina, we spotlight the dual nature of witches—challenging negative stereotypes and celebrating the healing, nature-connected aspects of this misunderstood archetype.
Explore the evolution of words and thoughts that have historically demonized women, like the transformation of "gossip" from a supportive term to a tool of vilification. Discover how modern women are reclaiming power through platforms like TikTok and Instagram, and using spirituality as a cornerstone for empowerment. Together, we discuss the significance of spiritual practices that align with personal beliefs, offering pathways for women to live their most authentic lives by clearing negative energies and harnessing personal power.
Take a journey back to ancient wisdom as we reconnect with herbal remedies and the natural world. Inspired by a "lost book of herbal remedies," we discuss the powerful healing properties of plants and their role in nutrition and well-being. With insights from authors like Sharon Blackie, we encourage embracing the beauty and mystery of the autumn season with intentionality. As we approach the mystical time of Samhain, discover how rituals and simple acts like lighting a candle can ground and empower you, fostering a deeper connection with the natural world and the generations of women who came before us.
Hello and welcome. It is Halloween, samhain, it's the month of witches and spirits, so, being women, talking about women's empowerment, women's struggles, healing, we could not miss this opportunity to go all a little bit witchy and I've been so excited about this. I cannot tell you how excited. How are you feeling, karen?
Speaker 2:oh, I've got a lot of energy in my heart. There's all this heart fire coming up and it's um, it's as soon as you started, as soon as you went into the topic, my heart went I'm here, I'm here and it's like I'm actually starting to get quite sweaty. Um, which means there's excitement here as well, but it's like it's coming up from the heart and then I'm, you know, I'm a bit tingly as well, and also I've got something in my throat. So there's something here in my throat which is, you know, this kind of it feels like a suppression piece as well.
Speaker 1:So, interesting, as I connect to the heart, the throat starts to shut down ah well, this is exactly the witch wound that we're going to be talking about, and so, as we go on this, this exploration of all things witchy and the witch wound, I just wanted to just just say really honestly what I interpret the witch wound as being, as being, because I had quite a journey reclaiming my voice, coming out of the shadows, feeling okay with being seen, and that is essentially what the witch wound is.
Speaker 1:It's this generational, cultural, spiritual wound that we've been carrying for generations, taking it right the way back to, you know, the dark ages, those witch trials, the witch hunts, where actually it was really unsafe for women to gather, to do anything. That may be interpreted as the dark spirits. And, yeah, it dimmed our light, it kept us separate and it meant that we lost that, our voices, which sometimes it feels really hard to speak out loud, and we are the say it's just a podcast, after all, and it's about reclaiming, so healing all of those wounds, um, understanding where those wounds came from and empowering ourselves to say, hey, you know, I have a voice, I don't want to be hidden anymore. I want to claim my space at this time in this world.
Speaker 2:I just sometimes it's like that need to just hold silence for a minute that I get, it's like claiming my space in this world, right here, right now. And you know, when I was looking into it, I remember like my mum used to talk to me about this a little bit when I was younger and, um, you know, there was some really bad like witch trials that happened near where I grew up in Manchester, in um, pendle and Lancaster as well, which is not near me, but we would talk about it and we would talk about it and it was kind of the in some ways. You know, it probably was around Halloween, when these stories tend to come out and people tend to talk about them. And you know, I think children as children, we have this obsession with witches, don't we? You know, and it's, it's a magical time and I, I have a daughter who was born on Halloween and I have called her a witch from being a baby and people have said to me don't call like certain people, don't call her a witch, don't call her a witch, I'm like, well, she is.
Speaker 2:She's like, the veil is thinner on Halloween and you know there's a lot around us that we can't see. That is, you know, part of our ecosystem, of the world, of the universe that comes through just because we can't see it. It's definitely there and so she's very, very in tune with so many different things and, and she, she will, you know, as a, as a kid, she would see things and tell me, and you know, if there's anything coming through the house because you know, I'm not going to say it's witches, but like energetic entities or things that are just, you know, hard to put into words, even dark matter in a way, catalina would pick up on it and I was always cleansing the house in the early days because she was like a sign and you know that something was off in the house, and so the sage would come out, and I've got the crystals, and you know, I would do all my cleansing rituals for the house and, um, just to keep the space nice and clean for us. It was quite amazing. She would point in the corner of the room and, um, you know, let me know that there was something there, and that was from being quite small, and so there is something that is going on, that is, you know, outside our vision, that we can't quite see, but yet we know there's something there and it's that magical that not all of it is good, but what I think about, which is I think about something that is a white witch, that is helpful, you know, that is connecting to nature, and you know medicine and herbs and that kind of thing where we can work with the land and actually, you know, help our bodies and help each other to heal and come together, like you said.
Speaker 2:And so that's where it takes me. It takes me back into this much more. You know, shamanic or medicine-based, ritual-based, you know. But again, I think, as women, we're always seeking the right language, the right words to use when we think about which is because it's so embedded with the negative, the dark forces, um, something that's scary the hags, the crones, you know, the toothless women that isn't that.
Speaker 1:Every story that's ever been written um, you know the, the dangers out there, have always been manifested. If it was, um a male energy, it'd always be in a beast, whereas if it was a female energy, it would always be a wicked witch or a bad fairy. So it's been our whole storyhood that we've had these you know foreboding messages, and the whole white witch thing has pretty much been eradicated from history. And um, I too had a very strange upbringing, um, because it was actually on my father's line where there was a lot of um ghostly and spiritual experiences, um, through, you know, the, the energy in his home, um different experiences that we had, uh, visions that my um, my half brother and sister had when they were very small, and so it was always there. But then there was on the other side, my mother's line, which was don't be ridiculous, we don't talk about this stuff and it was almost, like you know, just shut it down. But interestingly, as I've started to really learn about um, the, the world of witches, and reconnect myself back to that energy, um, I grew up on the in Herefordshire, in a really small rural town, and it was all farming and it was all about the seasons, it was all about nature, and there were many practices that actually we did, which I didn't know were back in our old pagan roots, but we're still very much in our community. So every September we have a folk festival where, you know, the dancers turn up with all of these ancient costumes and we used to make corn dollies, which, of course, were usually totems in some way or another. We always had our harvest festivals, which were about celebration and May Day we still obviously have bank holiday around that time but it was very much a time of that ancient world where we were aligned with the spirits and the seasons and the full moons.
Speaker 1:And so when I started realizing this, I was like, oh, I've always been a witch or I've always had this energy. I've always been a witch or I've always had this energy. And I remember the first time I had an intuition and it actually kept me really safe, and I think I'd have been about 14 years old and I heard these girls talking in a cubicle next to me, talking about how they were going to beat this girl up and she was having it and et cetera, et cetera, and I just like my whole body, went into high alert and I was like there was this voice that just came. They're talking about you and these are like friends in my class at school. I have no beef with them, there was no issue, but for some reason I just knew. And I came out of the toilets and my older male cousin was there and he was like are you all right, lucy? I was like you need to walk me home. And as we walked out of the, the building, the two girls came out and they were like there she is. And it was just like wow, what was that?
Speaker 1:And since then I've always had little moments, or well, no big moments of intuition, but also those really subtle ones, um, listening to my inner voice. But also I just seem to have coincidences everywhere, all of these little fortuitous, serendipitous moments. They're everywhere. And so me, coming back into my, I call it witchiness, but actually it's just my divine, feminine, it's my feminine energy. It's also going back into my basic, ancestral how they used to live. You know, I've been collecting conkers. I've been, you know, collecting my lavender and drying out, getting my essential oils out. It was all these really old things that just make me feel comforted. So, yeah, I think I was probably a green witch or a herb witch or a wood witch. It's that energy that I get.
Speaker 2:Well, firstly, I want to say sorry about the situation with the toilets, because I've had situations like that too and it stops you in your tracks and it's just deeply, deeply distressing, you know, and at the same time, something kept you safe and it's that. You know, when we listen in, we know that we've got wisdom, and when we trust that wisdom and we get support, then it can help in big ways. You know multiple different ways and so it's like that kind of coming back into the body. And you know, as you're talking about the herbalist thing, I had a past life experience where, you know, I went in and and I was regressed and I went back to a lifetime, you know, many years ago, many lives ago, where I was a herbalist and I worked my husband, which was actually rich, my current husband, because I looked into his eyes and I was like the eyes are the same and he was working the land. So he was plowing the land and I was, you know, looking after two children and working with the herbs and you know, but it was under, like it was in secret, so it still wasn't safe for women to do that. And so in this, in this regression vision that I had. You know, people were coming along and sort of like saying, have you got anything for this, have you got any for that? And I was, I would make up like little potions and you know I'm going to call it a potion, but it's really just a tincture. You know we call it a tincture today and then they would go away. And in that, in that life, I didn't live my life purpose. I didn't live my soul purpose, which was to heal. It was, I did bits and pieces, but it was very much like in hiding, in secret. It's not safe, and that fear was part of my you know, anatomy in my body.
Speaker 2:And I've realized that that story, that experience, is linked into this life because when I started to work in the field of the Akashic Records, which is really, you know, channeling and sourcing information, good, linking to unconditional love and this field of you know the divine, really it's kind of like it covers everything when I started to work in that field and I started to, you know, if you think of the word sorcery, I started to source things, visions. Then that basically meant that I was able to go back and actually, you know, see different things and realize that in this life I'm actually getting to live it. I'm actually, you know, in my power in a way, and I'm able to do work with women that is deeply healing, helps them to, you know, as this podcast is, listen and find their voice and show the world what they're here to do, the world what they're here to do, and in doing so there is a level of healing that heals them but also heals past generations in their family line and future generations, and so it just gives me huge pleasure to. I mean, it's sad to know that I didn't do it that time around, but when we look at what was going on for women in the witch trials and the association that still lives on, my mum will say don't call her a witch.
Speaker 2:Um, you know, I mum, it doesn't mean what you think, it means. There's so much more to it, and when I explain it to her, she gets it. You know and it's a whole different thing that this is really powerful and really important for women to be able to say hold on a minute, who am I really deep inside, what were my ancestors going through and what can I heal today in a way that takes me forward and takes, you know, takes us all forward. Yeah, what's your take on that one?
Speaker 1:it's interesting because, um, as you were talking about, um, your past and that your past self, that past life, um, obviously had to hide. It was the whole women's experience that anything that you were doing that might have caused any kind of alarm or concern or show any power or anything a little bit spiritual, would have put you to your death or be shunned from your community. And I actually had, as part of my Akashic Rishikords, I also had a reconnection to an old version of myself and I wasn't killed, but I was rejected from my town and had to go on the path alone and it wasn't safe and I don't know what I was doing. But there was something there. Because of my power, I'd said something and it got me rejected. And, equally, can you imagine if I'd have come out of that? You know, as that 14 year old girl said, I knew you were going to beat me up because my intuition told me I'd have been laughed at, bullied, probably for that. So it's still not safe for us to talk about our spirituality. And you know there's you and I are professional businesswomen, yeah, and we are still very spiritual creatures. We can be both. But in a world that only values logic and what is seen and what can be tested and can be evidenced, logic and what is seen and what can be tested and can be evidenced, um, that whole other part and for the last four or five hundred years, that whole other part of existence has been ignored. And it takes me back to um.
Speaker 1:I was listening to a brilliant documentary um on bbc sounds called witch and I I recommend anybody go and have a look at it because it's all the stories but there's evidence and there's research. But it introduced the idea of the word gossip and how demonising that was and it being a negative word put on women that we just gossip. But actually the original word gossip was there for these women who were healers, medicine women, um, accessing like the spiritual realm, who would actually accompany women in childbirth and at baptisms, and I guess we'd call them midwives, um, you know, in that role that they took. But because these women were coming together and you know dancing in the moonlight and you know celebrating the different seasons and um that they were demonized, it actually became outlawed but women, a little bit like what's happening in the middle east now. But for women to be out in public talking, it became against the law in the 16th century, which is just terrifying.
Speaker 1:And then you can start seeing how things started to unravel that, you know, women were blamed for, um, harvest failing. If there was adultery, it was always the woman's fault because she was the temptress. It was never the man's fault because, you know, she put a spell on him. Um, it must have been a love potion. And then these things, like you know, women would be crucified for being, uh, putting a hex on somebody. But it might have just been that we'd have muttered something under our breath in annoyance and then the person fell over and, oh, therefore she's hexed him, and so all of these stories came out that actually then meant that women started turning in on each other, because, centuries later, well, here we are again and still losing our voices and still having to hide, because any woman that comes out and says stuff or reclaims it, well, they're wailing, they're neurotic, they're and they can't be trusted. And I even look at the stuff that was pointed to, like Greta Thunberg when she came out and said, no, I don't want this, and the vilification that she had was horrendous. So, yeah, it's a whole wound. That is just actually the waters in which we swim in is hope.
Speaker 1:Because of social media, women are finding their voices again, whether it's in blogs or whether it's um on tiktok, instagram, you know. You go to witch talk or insta um gram witch talk, or whatever they call it. It's everywhere and it's bringing us together. And you've named yourself a witch. I've named myself a witch.
Speaker 2:We are just completely normal human beings, but we're claiming it 100% and I do this work in big corporates with high, very high profile women. You know who want, who will say to me can you please work with this member of my team as well and please make sure you do the Akashic Records, because she really needs this sort of spiritual context of what's going on for her in her life and I think it it will really help her. And I'm always a little bit cautious because I never want to assume anything. So you know, when I start to do work with women, we start with coaching, we go into the you know the areas that are more commonplace, and then I tend to sort of offer and build and you know it goes from there. But I do have women saying no, no, no, no, go straight in, you know, with the Akashic Records, and it's like okay, and I'll always obviously check with the person I'm working with and they'll be like no, I'm up for it, please take, please, let's do that. So it's wonderful because it's sorcery at its absolute. You know, most joyous and peak and you know the idea of hexes well.
Speaker 2:I spend a lot of time clearing out other people's energy from my personal space every day. I do it every morning and every night before I go to bed. So you know there are people out there who are not happy in the world. Are, you know, thinking negative things towards you? Or if somebody's you know road raged you or something like that in the car you know it's called, we get these cords that get built up around us that come from other people, and there could be cords from all our relationships and even the people who we love, because it's all of these things that get built up over our life that we we carry it inside, but then things get attached to us and so releasing all of that's really important. Otherwise we're losing our power. And also we've got other people you know attached to us and they don't mean to necessarily do it deliberately. You know it's not an intentional thing, but if someone's got a bad intention towards you, you can guarantee that their energy is around you somehow. So all of that clearing out is vital, because otherwise we are not. We're probably working at, you know, 50 of our true strength and power and you know what it's like when you've had a bad spate of events and how you start to get very low and you start to feel quite drained. You know that's basically what's going on. So being able to just take care of that and just send it away from you and get back into your power, that's not hurting anyone. But certainly by taking care of ourselves and we are more able to take care of others, we're more able to do important work that we're here to do and I would say like like live ourselves purpose or our life purpose, if you want to give it. You know, whether you believe in past lives or not, we've still got a purpose in this life. So, whatever, I'm very careful when I work with people to get their belief system in place from that person and to say you know, what are your, what are your words?
Speaker 2:Do you like the word love? What do you use? And and we, we create. You know, we create the work based on the words that they like, because it's, you know, language is. Language can be a real like opener, but it can also close people down, and if you think about how religion has treated women and how it still treats women, you know you're going to be very, very. I'm very, very careful about the navigation of the journey plans and what a woman might need from me so that it opens up space, not closes things down for her so that it's her language. But the work is the work and it lives and breathes its own joy and love and my aim is to release anything that is negative so that that woman can get back into a power, get back into her heart and be in the world. You know, showing up fully and from there great things always happen.
Speaker 1:I have never seen it not happen, so I know this stuff works, and you know it works um, I mean it's, um, it is kind of incredible how a lot of modern therapy practices actually do go right back to some of those witchy practices, and so, for example, something that a therapist might ask you to do is to write a letter to the person who has vexed you, hurt you, traumatized you, you, and then just rip it up or burn it, yeah, and that is essentially a cutting the cord kind of um spell work. Another one that you can do is just light two candles, um, and if you haven't got all day, just have birthday candles and go in between them and actually, um, with intentionality, think about that person and what you want to let go and protect yourself, and then, when you're ready, just walk through the two candles. You can have a double-ended candle, so you take the wax off the other end and just let it burn and when it's done, it's released, um, yeah, and burning the messages of what you want to let go of into a bonfire or even just a little cauldron, dare I say it, but something that will hold. That. That is just so powerful, and the word really is about intentionality, and you can practice, uh, letting go or protecting yourself however you wish. You don't need to um, cast salt circles and, you know, manifest everything. You know we wouldn't get much done all day exactly, but, um, sometimes it's fun you know the the big full moons or the big events to do something really symbolic. But actually you can do stuff every day and even if you just imagine a circle of protection around you and you can like almost build it with your mind's eye and just say, I feel protected, that is essentially what historically was just a simple spell and the cloak that we wear.
Speaker 1:Sometimes we might want to put loads of clothes on and put a big scarf on, and when we do, we just feel really warm and protected. Well, again, the witch's cloak was essentially that. It was seen as a way to protect ourselves as we went around in the world. So a lot of the stuff that we um are probably doing, whether it's manifesting, whether it's, um, visualizing, whether it's actually casting a spell, making a wish, saying a prayer actually it is witchery and just name it. And I have protection spells all over my house. I've even got Hikaru's wheel, which is actually inked onto my skin, just as a way to remember that I am protected, because it is a state of intentionality and letting go, you know, whenever I need to do it, I just wish it out there. I let you go, I let it go, I cut the cords. What practices?
Speaker 2:do you have? Oh my gosh, I have so many different practices, but I have my, you know, my morning ritual and my evening ritual, which are the two staples that I just do not miss and they really help me. But then I have, like there's so many different Akashic Records, prayers that I use that. Just, you know, it's about me being in full command of myself and coming back into that space. Oh, I mean, I have. You know, I have a book basically, of like rituals and practices and you know, I think if it's you say this is my practice, it sounds much more safe, but if you say this is a ritual, but I think people are getting really on board with rituals.
Speaker 2:And you know, I even wrote a guide, a rituals guide for women, because I just thought there's so many small little things that we can do when we're out and about on the move that you think, oh, I need to create all this space and time. Actually, you don don't. You can do, and it's a beautiful thing to do, especially if you come together with others. How wonderful is that. And yet, at the same time, you can make this, you can make this part of your daily life in a way that will just help you to feel more empowered, more connected. Um, you know I brought this book with me.
Speaker 2:This is like the lost book of herbal remedies. It's absolutely incredible and again I'll put that on the facebook page but it's got all of these, like you know, plants and what they do, and there is literally every single thing is in here that you might possibly need. So, for me, I'm just fascinated by the foods we I'm really getting into that, like foods that are anti-inflammatory, foods that are good for perimenopause and menopause you know the different stages that women go through and also the foods that really, really like warming soups during our periods, and you know they're very, really simple things. It's really a diet, a nutrition thing. It it's not woo in any way, shape or form, but if you look back and you trace back, you know the use of food. We've lost all that information. That's why it's like the lost book of herbal remedies. You know we lost it and you know these books are amazing because you can grow like my husband grows a lot of the herbs, so it's in our garden.
Speaker 1:It's the things that work for us in this country and what I find crazy is that we all know that honey and lemon is great when you've got a sore throat and the uh, the farmer, they know this. So you go to the shop and get, um, some kind of medicine for colds and it is labeled as herb and or menthol and actually don't do that. Just go and get some herbs and menthol, just get the natural state. It's far better because we know this stuff, we know it's good for us, but we still don't trust.
Speaker 2:Just have some honey and lemon 100%, and I mean castelina lives on it. She has it every morning because she has asthma and she also gets lots of blood. That she was. She doesn't anymore and you know, she, her throat was always the thing. She was just constantly coughing and also she has hay fever. So we've been doing this for two years and it's been like a miracle cure. Basically. I can't even begin to tell you how much it's helped, is that just taking the local honey from your area.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we just get local honey, you know, from the local shop and that's every morning. She has a spoonful with some warm water and she goes out any every single day of the year. We've been doing it for a few years and it's the simplicity of that. For me, that is like it's like something that has been taken so far out of context. It's like a connection to earth, a connection to wisdom that has been turned into something that has been, you know, used against women for centuries and centuries and centuries. And you know, I opened up the Akashic Records this morning just to see what wanted to be known about the witch wound and I'm just going to read it.
Speaker 2:So the first thing that happened, I got a tension headache and it was, you know, this is a dark topic. I asked how could I bring love and lightness into something that is, you know, deeply traumatic? If you think about how many women at 4,000 women were sent to the death in Scotland, 1,000 in England, just five in Wales, um, you know, so clearly there's something going on there that was much more supportive of women, you know. And if you think about what happened at the you know, the Salem witch trials as well, just absolutely awful, and this is something that is a wound and we need to acknowledge that wound if we're going to feel empowered. And it was really. You know this is. It really is about celebration and the initiation of women back into their wisdom, back into their bodies and back to nature. Like the word initiation when it came out, I was like, oh, that says everything to me, like we are being reinitiated. And to remind ourselves that we're being reinitiated, that there is pain and trauma and that it was a wickedness that was turned towards women and there is a sadness and a purging that's still needed for women that are alive to heal and transform into their full power and to use their voices to heal, and that I heard you are doing it, it is happening.
Speaker 2:It will take two more generations and if think about me so, and the generations of my daughter, catalina, and then she already has all the eggs in her that if she does have children so I'm doing all this healing work the two generations are her and if she has children, her children.
Speaker 2:So that made absolute sense as I closed my records down and I came back and I thought about it and I was like so basically, catalina's children will be the ones that, if we continue to do this work, will really feel the full benefit. You know, and that's that makes that makes sense to me like we can heal automatically, but the actual impact of the healing takes more time and we've got to keep going on our paths and, you know, bringing other people with us because, as the Dalai Lama said, that it's you know, when women heal, the rest of the world heals, and I really believe that because I think we take people on the journey with us and I I'm kind of speechless because that's everything that I I hope for and it, and it is this magic that everything from the past and then where we are today and the future is all in one, all at the same time, happening together and it is beautiful.
Speaker 1:And one of my favorite authors on womanhood, I guess, is Sharon Blackie, and she's an incredible woman, um, for many, many reasons. But her, her work is absolutely about when women feel connected with nature, with the past, we can absolutely heal the future. And it's, um one of her books uh, we'll talk about in another episode, haggitude Love that one, because it's about that inner hag and actually reclaiming the word. But she goes back into old ancient stories and how they all, the lessons that we can learn from that for today so that we can then live a better future for our children and our grandchildren. So we've got a whole reading list, haven't we, for our listeners to go and explore. But Sharon Blackie is quite foundational in, I guess it's old pagan roots, and I'm sure there are teachers.
Speaker 1:Whatever your culture is, wherever you live in the world, there will be teachers who are reconnecting you back to your land. Um, and we are both British, so we come from these shores. So the, the symbols and the history, the stones, the birds, the flora and fauna all around us, and that's what connects us and I've said on many times, for me it's getting out in nature and, and you know, if you've seen any of the videos that we're playing, you'll see that my room is just filled with plants because I have to have the outdoors. Indoors For Karen, I can see all of your beautiful flowers and birds behind you and then, and it's about that oneness, so it doesn't matter where you are, it's feeling connected with nature, the universe, the, the wholeness, and that's where we really will heal the world. It's beautiful it's beautiful.
Speaker 2:What one thing you know. If we're going to sign off in a minute, what one thing would you say to the people, to the women listening, are the men listening? You know what's the one piece of advice or wisdom that you would pass along?
Speaker 1:Whatever your practice is whether you like to cast spells, manifest things, light candles, have a bit of aromatherapy, whatever your thing is do it intentionally. So, as you're doing it, think about what is it I'm really wanting, and you don't have to shout it out to the world, it's just you shouting it out in a whisper sometimes. But yeah, it's back to that intentionality. You can't reconnect with yourself and the universe and all around you unless you do it with purpose.
Speaker 2:Beautiful. And I think I would just add to that you know, get out and look at the sky, like, feel your feet on the earth. You know you're of the earth but you're also, you know, reaching up into the sky, and it's that kind of earth and heavens that link between the two, like we live in a world where we can see the sky but we're also on the ground, you know, and just there's a marvelness to it, really, in that it's so simple and yet just look at the sky and look at your feet, and look at the sky and look at your feet and just realize that you're here and you're here for a reason.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and just to add another uh note um, if you listen to this before um the uh, bonfire night, just know that, um the ha Halloween or Samhain, is usually about three or four days before Halloween and three or four days after, when the veil is at its thinnest. And even if you don't go to a big bonfire, just light one outside, just have a really small, just look at the flames, light a candle and it really is connecting. There's something really beautiful about you know, we know about the water elements, but there's something there about the fire elements that reawaken something within us. So if that's all you do this halloween, um, you don't have to get your broomstick out and put your hat on. You can just light a candle and watch the flame flicker.
Speaker 2:I love that. Simplicity is key, isn't it? Thank you so much to everybody for being with us today and for listening, and we really, really wish, we, we really wish you, I love you a wonderful, you know, turning of time as we step into this.
Speaker 2:you know really autumn energy and the leaves falling and and it is a mysterious, wonderful time of year where it's incredibly beautiful. So, yeah, we wish you a wonderful time. We'll be back next week to talk about more wonderful topics and we just want to say, please, keep on listening to us and saying it, sister.