Say it Sister...
Lucy and Karen, two 40-somethings, are always chatting about life, and all that it has to throw at them, and now want to share their raw, honest conversations with you. Their journey of self-discovery and healing is something many of us can relate to. We all possess a unique power within us, but life’s trials often knock us off course. They have the tools, the courage to speak up and simply say it as it is, so you might feel seen, and understood and gain practical tools and techniques for self-discovery and personal growth during the changes we experience.
Say it Sister...
The Wisdom Within: Reconnecting to Your Natural Intuitive Power
Wisdom lives inside all of us, yet we've been trained to doubt ourselves and look for validation elsewhere. Our natural intuition, deep wisdom, and gut instincts are powerful tools that women already possess but often ignore in favor of external guidance.
• Women's wisdom has been systematically eroded and suppressed throughout history
• True wisdom differs from intellect – it's found in everyday people with depth that can't be taught in books
• Science confirms our bellies contain 72,000 nerve endings that communicate important information
• Wisdom isn't about age but about connecting to the knowing that exists within all of us
• The head provides knowledge while the heart and gut provide deeper wisdom and discernment
• Discernment means recognizing when something doesn't feel right in your body and honoring that boundary
• Journaling with questions like "What does my wisdom know about this situation?" can access inner guidance
• The Wisdom School initiative aims to help women reconnect with their natural wisdom and feminine power
• Leading from wisdom means listening to your intuition before making plans with your head
Join us at Wise Women Lead, our wisdom school for women leaders that gathers women to level up their feminine energy and reconnect with their wisdom.
Hello and welcome to the Say it Sister podcast.
Speaker 2:I'm Lucy and I'm Karen, and we're thrilled to have you here. Our paths crossed years ago on a shared journey of self-discovery, and what we found was an unshakable bond and a mutual desire to help others heal and live their very best lives.
Speaker 1:For years, we've had open, honest and courageous conversations, discussions that challenged us, lifted us and sometimes even brought us to tears. We want to share those conversations with you. We believe that by letting you into our world, you might find the courage to use your voice and say what really needs to be said in your own life.
Speaker 2:Whether you're a woman seeking empowerment, a self-improvement enthusiast or someone who craves thought-provoking dialogue, join us, as we promise to bring you real, unfiltered conversations that encourage self-reflection and growth.
Speaker 1:So join us as we explore, question and grow together. It's time to say say it, sister.
Speaker 2:Welcome, sisters, to this really important session for us. We want to talk to you about wisdom today, to the wisdom that lives inside us, the wisdom that we were born with, and we want to help you to understand what wisdom is and reconnect you back to your natural self. Today, we're going to take you on a journey that expands you in different ways and we want to really go into why is this important now? We believe that this is one of the most important topics for women. This is something we all possess. It's been trained out of us. Instead, we doubt ourselves and we look for validation elsewhere, and this is not the way, sisters. Wisdom is women's intuition, it's deep wisdom, it's gut instincts and it lives inside. And how we access it and why we need to access it right now is the point of our discussion today lucy.
Speaker 1:Oh, I've got to come in because I'm also bursting with loads of um energy, because we've got some really exciting new information for you about something that haran and I are up to in the world our brand new initiative that we're going to declare to the world on this podcast. It's really exciting. We've called it the Wisdom School and you know the driver is because women are wise. We're here to lead. We, you know, lead our lives, our families, our communities. So, yeah, I'm really excited. Sorry, sorry, I had to burst in there with my burst of energy, but you're going to calm me now with a poem for us.
Speaker 2:I am one of my favorite poems ever. This is from it's a Hopi creation story and it's that ancient wisdom that lives, um within tribes, the people that are still connected to the earth, um and nature as a key pillar in their society, in their communities and also in their healing and their wisdom. The creator gathered all the creation and said I want to hide something from the humans until they are ready for it it is the realization that they create their own reality. The eagle said give it to me, I will take it to the moon. The creator said no, one day they will go there and find it.
Speaker 2:The salmon said I will bury it on the bottom of the ocean. The creator said no, they will go there too said no, they will go there too. The buffalo said I will bury it on the great plains. The creator said they will cut into the skin of the earth and find it, even there. Grandmother mole, who lives in the breast of mother earth and who has no physical eyes but sees with spiritual eyes, said put it inside them. And the creator said it is done.
Speaker 2:I want to cry oh, it's just so beautiful, oh, you know, it's just this idea, isn't it of? We hold so much inside us and we are so, so hell-bent on looking on the outside and everything we need is already here, um, and the animal speaking it, just it. It does something to me in a way that just brings me back to my center and reminds me that all of the hustling, all of the pushing, all of the, the striving to know, is not who I really am. You know, I'm deeper and wiser than that. What is wisdom to you, lucy?
Speaker 1:So wisdom has always pulled at my head and my heart, because that's just the way I'm wired and it's like this quiet, persistent tug that keeps on. You know, here's some knowledge, and what does?
Speaker 2:it mean.
Speaker 1:Here's some knowledge. What does it mean? And I just keep going around in these circles, but I know that you have to be in a real, I suppose, deeper place to truly understand what wisdom is. And because I'm somebody who likes to join the dots, I crave knowledge. And not knowledge just for the sake of knowing, but for the sake of really understanding. So learning from others is essential to me.
Speaker 1:But wisdom, well, that's more about gathering information, it's taking it in, it's looking for patterns, it's questioning, it's reflecting, it's an internal process and it weaves it into my own life's experiences, my own moral code. It becomes like a filter and that, to me, is like the deep wisdom. So for me, wisdom is wholeness. It's a wonder, it's a lifelong journey of being and doing and being fully present in all my senses my past, my present, my knowledge, my experience. There's nothing shallow about it and, like the mold, there is nothing blind about it.
Speaker 1:And also, when I was reflecting on this, I realized that wisdom is not following for the sake of it. So we have leaders, but the wisdom comes from choosing who to follow, and it's with having eyes wide open, questioning, never just blind faith. And it also made me remember that I am a child of divorced parents, so I grew up in two very different households and on the one it was very much rooted in fact and logic and debate and questioning and reason. But the other side was walks in the countryside, talk of ghosts and spirits, and I guess that's why it's always set me on this head heart journey and the fact is it's neither this or it's that. It's something that is immeasurable and it's true wisdom that embraces all of it.
Speaker 2:That's it for me anyway yeah, I mean, I was obviously trying to break it down too and I was thinking about the, the topic of it, because it's so big. Um, you know, I was like there's a wisdom in me. There's a wisdom in others. You know, people do things and I, I can see their wisdom and and I'm interested in that, I'm intrigued by it there's a, there's a wisdom in the context of what's happening in this moment. You know, there's information here and there's a wisdom in what's going on in the world. You know, there's a direction, there's a pull, and there's also the wisdom of our own journeys, you know, and where we have our own experiences and we learn through that journey. You know, we deepen into that journey, we have the life experiences and it gives us messages and it tells us things.
Speaker 2:Um, you know, that's something that we are learning over time, but I feel like the true, deep wisdom sits inside our bodies and informs us. You know, and I feel like this is the time, certainly in my life, where I am being pulled on to do things differently, to tune into myself on such a deep level, and it's taken a lot of energy and a lot of effort to stay centered, to come back, to listen, like more than ever before, I think, because the world is pulling me out all the time. But I know that when I clear the deck, make some space, close my eyes, I clear the deck, make some space, close my eyes. It's just peace and beauty. Love like that is who I am, at my core and that is my true wisdom.
Speaker 2:When that speaks, um, I am being woken up by the world and I'm not enjoying the ride of that, if I'm being honest, um, and it's disconnecting me from my wisdom. However, I feel like I still I am going to share my wisdom, I'm still going to show up in the world and I feel like there's a deep knowing inside me that I'm. It just comes to me and when I don't plan things, it's the most powerful when I'm truly in the moment with myself. That's when it really comes through and I can feel the difference to sort of going into my head and trying to work out solutions and you know tactics and how do I approach that and what's the best way about that and how can I, you know, say what I want to say without hurting someone? That kind of thing. I get much more into my head about that and the tools maybe that I know, and I've been thinking about it from like the head. You know that there's, there's their wisdom in my head.
Speaker 1:You could say it's intellect, um, but I think it's more than that, because my emotions also sit in my head yeah, I just want to just tell you what my thoughts are about this intellect thing, because as I've grown older and maybe a little wiser, I've learned that wisdom isn't intellect. You know the whole IQ thing, and the reason why I can say that with clarity is I've met some brilliant people, you know, intellectually brilliant, and they've got zero common sense. They only go on what they can see on the outside. And then I've met some real everyday folks with depth of wisdom that can't be taught in books. So I think, yeah, it's knowledge is different to intellect. So I just wanted to share my two pennies there.
Speaker 2:I love that and thank you. And you know, for me, like when I write, this voice comes through me. That is like ancient wisdom and I've always had it from being, from being really small, and I remember being at like workshops and things, and then we would journal and they would say, cameron, will you tell us what you're journaling, will you tell us one of your stories? And sort of be very nervous and I'd kind of lose my voice a little bit because I was thinking I don't, you know, this is very uncomfortable for me, but I would do it and share it and I even I would think I don't know who's written this, but it's come out of my, you know, and they would say there's like this old wisdom inside you and and I know that there's no wisdom inside me, but I don't, you know it still feel a little bit like weird about it sometimes.
Speaker 2:Um, but I've learned as I've got older to just allow that voice to come through and to use it and to use it with people who are interested and who want to know and are interested in, like the old, ancient sort of, you know, feminine energies and words that come through.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of people that want that from me. So you know, I do that. But it's like there's the head and there's the heart and then there's the hands, and I think as I, as I learn about life and myself, even more sometimes. Sometimes I'm like, okay, where have I gone? I'm in my head, and other times I'm like, okay, where am I? I'm in my heart, and then the action piece feels like it's my hands creating things, and so I feel like there's wisdom in all these three different parts of me, but the deepest wisdom comes from really in my core, for sure. But it doesn't mean that the others are wrong either. So I'm always trying to sort of work out where I've gone and um sit with myself and then come back to the heart and um find out what I need to do next yeah, I think I've found my my wisest thoughts through that, that stillness and um.
Speaker 1:And I remember reading a quote years ago, and it was actually by Jimi Hendrix, and it was knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens. And for most of my life I didn't do much listening. You know, I'm an extrovert. I like to have conversations. I was listening, but it was when I started listening to myself. That's when I started to find my truth, my values, my ethics, my morality and what really matters to me. And, yeah, so it's when I listened to that inner Lucy that I found my inner wisdom.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's fascinating to me because I feel like when we show up before we get on these calls and we have a bit of a check in, and I feel like you hold space and you listen to me so deeply and you're such an encourager, um, and you don't need to say too much, it's just you being there. So it's interesting you say that because that's clearly not where you are right now and that just shows you. You know that we're all on these journeys and we might have a default, but actually we can change ourselves to be more in alignment with wisdom, um, regardless of whether we're more of a talker or a listener. Um, the thing I wanted to share I'm actually going to read this because I won't get it right if I say it, if I just go off on a on a tangent.
Speaker 2:Science has discovered that more that more neurons fire in our bellies than our actual brains. There are 72 000 nerve endings in our bellies. The immune system relies on being supported and fed by your sexual energy, 90 of which feeds directly into our immunity. So without a thriving and vital flow of sexual energy, your defense system will be undernourished. An orgasm, when flushed through the entire body, mind, has the subsidence to bring about a complete healing state. And they do say that you know if you've got a headache and you have an orgasm, it can I'm going to put that in brackets depending on the level of the migraine or whatever you're having it, can, you know, release the tension?
Speaker 1:So we can't use that excuse anymore that you've got a headache.
Speaker 2:You don't want to do it. I mean, we can have a laugh about this one, can't we? But for me that's not the bit. The bit is the, the endings, the nerve endings in our bellies was the bit that I was like 72 000, that's immense. And so that feeling that we get, you know, for me my gut tends to speak when I'm well.
Speaker 2:I can get urges where I go. I've just got to do that, like when I contacted you and said, lucy, I know I need to work with you, shall we do something? Last year, and you were pretty quickly and come back with a yes, you know, and that was, and that was a really brilliant urge that came from my belly. I've also had it from you know, like I don't feel safe around somebody. There's been a shot of like urge. You, you know, something's coming through from the gut. Sometimes I listen, sometimes I don't, but, um, I just wanted to share that because there's a lot happening inside our you know that inside that area that if we don't catch it, it can be both brilliant and it can also be. It can also change our lives and save our lives and what's really fascinating is the?
Speaker 1:um, the survival hormones of adrenaline and cortisol, uh, produced in the brain, but the majority of it is produced in the intestines, in the stomach, and so it's if you don't listen to that, you're in real danger. Um, and equally, when you get excited about something, I get the butterflies in my belly. It's communication constantly, and it's beautiful. I've always listened to my gut um, and I'll tell another story later on about how um, one gut feeling led to our wisdom school.
Speaker 2:So hold on for that one that'll come up so what stereotypes and stories do do we need to um out in this conversation today, knowing that we've got another conversation, you know, further down the line yeah.
Speaker 1:So here's a story. Um, so my heady dad, the rational logic one, uh, worked in the automotive industry, um, and he was the manufacturing director and I, he was always telling me, you know, I was only like 10, 11, 12 years old and he was always telling me, you know, I was only like 10, 11, 12 years old and he was always coming home and telling me about some new thing that he was learning or he'd discovered. One of them was spreadsheets, which I've never seen a man get so excited about. But the other one was, and I remember it clearly. He said we've just realised that the defining factor that makes leadership and human success is emotional intelligence. Now, to bear in mind, to us, we just live with it now, but in the 1980s it was a brand new concept. And now, when I look back with my wiser eyes, what I realize is that actually, women have always been really strong in emotional intelligence. We've been really strong in social intelligence. You know, relationship intelligence is just within our DNA and IQ obviously is part of it. But it's almost as though, because we'd lived in the patriarchy, that men had only just realised that there was this whole other part of existence. So that is something I just wanted to share with you, because when I was thinking of these stereotypes, I was like wow, actually, you know, this intelligence has always been within us. It's just nobody paid any attention.
Speaker 1:And one of the other things that then came to me as like this is how my thought process goes is that actually the bits that can be measured are the bits that we have kind of valued so we can measure intelligence, we can do a, a test on it, you know, and meant to exist for that, but then all of the womanly uh, womanly wisdom that we hold can't really be measured. So therefore, in our world of science and fact, and since the enlightenment, actually only something that is measurable and observable and tested is actually valued. Everything else is just been pushed to the side, which is why, you know, the woman's wisdom has been pushed to the side. Thankfully it's coming back. There is a new enlightenment coming, um, and then it got me thinking about how we are now like really mapping the mind.
Speaker 1:You know neuroscience, and, yeah, mapping the mind, just, you know, mapping the brain helps us understand how the brain works, but it still doesn't really answer the question about what is it to be human, what is the soul. What is wisdom? And this is the bit that gets me really passionate, because I'm like whoa. We've lived in this male wisdom world of knowledge and science for so long. Actually, the old wisdom, it's always been there and it's our time to reclaim it.
Speaker 2:So it got me really excited then yeah, because we still can't answer the big questions, can we? And that gives me a little bit of hope because it's our time to reclaim it. So it got me really excited then. Yeah, because we still can't answer the big questions, can we? And that gives me a little bit of hope, because it's like, yes, we do need a little bit of mystery. Come on, don't make everything so like. You know, you can do everything through your phone. You can press buttons and there it is.
Speaker 2:And yet inside we're all craving for like that basic human connection and you know to feel I like the fact that the big questions cannot be answered, because it leaves space, leaves space for investigation, at least space for wonder. You know, we don't do we need to have answers to all the questions. I don't really think we do. I think it's just to sort of accept that some things are truly magical and most of it lives inside us. You know, when I think about it, I think about the myths and stereotypes and I think wisdom is not about age Although as we get older we do go into the wiser years just from experience. But I genuinely feel that wisdom lives inside all, and certainly sometimes my daughter says things, and you know, as we know, when we have children and they say things, I think where did that come from? That's just, that is incredibly wise, because there's an innocence when she says it as well. You know, know, she hasn't had the life experience, she doesn't remember things, so she just comes at it from a pure place of you know, just a knowing. It's a knowing from deep inside her and she's right and I'm like you say it, sister, you know, um, so I love that, I love that it can be. You know all of us and it's not um, you know, you don't need to have privilege to be wise or any of those things. It's kind of an inclusive thing.
Speaker 2:Um, when I think about going back, you know how women's wisdom has been eroded, um, and ignored. You know the three wise men, um, of course it had to be three men. And you know, when I think about actually what does go on, what has gone on, um, before that, the big religion sort of came in like um, yeah, I don't mean I'm not going to go into a religious conversation here, but you know, it was really this idea of, like the women healers are the strongest healers, um, you know, and that is something I absolutely believe and associate with, and there's been this suppression of feminine wisdom throughout history and it's resurfacing today and people are starting to sort of notice and see and investigate it for themselves as well. Because I think that's the cool thing, you know, for me, if somebody's listening to this and they go, I'm going to go investigate that for myself then today has been a wonderful day and this podcast has delivered its goals.
Speaker 2:Um, that's really it. You know you don't have to have a degree, you don't have to have done lots of training in um shamanic medicine or anything like really it. You know you don't have to have a degree, you don't have to have done lots of training in um shamanic medicine or anything like that. Or you know, you don't need to be up talking on stages, but just know that inside you there is a deep wisdom that is waiting for you to connect to it and that's what, and I truly also believe that we all know this.
Speaker 1:Anyway, this is about stirring this wisdom, because when you look back at the whole of history, even to present day, the wise always turn up in all of our favourite stories, whether it's, you know, yoda from Star Wars, or Gandalf Dumbledore, the Oracle in the Matrix. Even recently, moana's grandmother she was the wise one and, yes, in all of those examples they are always old, they are always the wise elder. But it's more the fact that there seems to be this longing, even in the age of science and um technology. We all want those stories, that connection.
Speaker 2:It's almost like it's within our DNA that we we need to seek out this wisdom yeah, and I mean, I don't definitely feel when I'm doing coaching with women they also want the space to be held for them so that they can go into their truths, and that is there's a wisdom in that. You know, often it's like, you know, really listening and holding and, um, helping with certain words or just, you know, getting the message underneath the words. You know, and without even, like I often say to my clients, when they come and they are, um, they need help with their emotions because they would, they feel like they're overwhelmed. I'll just say to them we're not fixing today. We're not fixing and we're not sorting, we are being and we just be in the space. So as soon as we get into that, like I can feel the energy and I have that I have to be careful with myself that we don't.
Speaker 2:I don't get into fixing, you know, and it's really powerful because I can see them visibly relaxed and go. I don't need a solution, I can just be in the space and the solutions will come, of course, because I think when we get the insights and we connect to our wisdom, there will be solutions there, there will be next steps, but let's not jump straight in, let's be in the space of the unknown and let the known be known and expressed and felt, and then from there, I always have a strong faith that whatever happens next will be really great for that person. Um, so that is something that I want to say as well. You know there's, there is a point and a place for holding space for someone's wisdom to come through in the right way and that kind of leads me on to my very exciting news that we wanted to share about women's wisdom.
Speaker 1:And we have emerged and we have listened and we are part of a movement and because of that, we see women around the world reclaiming their own wisdom and that deep excuse me that really deep intuitive and relationship way of knowing, and I also see that it terrifies those that don't understand. So I think a lot of us are, us women are starting to explore our inner wisdom, but we're keeping it suppressed or keeping it private, at least for safety. Yet, behind closed doors, we are looking up at the moon, we are following astrology, we're doing yoga, we're doing dancing and singing, whether it's in a club or just in our kitchen, um, so we're finding ways to connect with that deeper, deeper part of ourselves and that is absolutely connecting to. This was women's wisdom, because it's, it really is grounded in this connection and this experience in full embodiment and emotion, intelligence, all of it. This is where we hold our power. And so, from that place of Karen and I connecting and going on this journey together, we planted a seed and that grew into Wise Women Lead. It's a wisdom school for women, for women as leaders, a leadership space that gathers women to level up their feminine energy and their wisdom, reconnect them with their wisdom.
Speaker 1:Because, let's face it, we have been living with our masculine energy for so long. We've done it, we've embodied it, we're good at it and that's why we've risen through the ranks of whether it's society, community, the workplace. But by doing that, we've kind of dishonored our feminine energy, our feminine wisdom, and so we'd be like, okay, actually, how amazing would it be if the women in the world can have all this masculine brilliant and really explore their feminine power? And I got to say, karen, you know, it was my gut that made me reach out to you again. Um, in 2020, 2021, whatever year, uh, whenever it was.
Speaker 1:But I was going through something deeply traumatic in my life and you popped up on my Facebook page announcing a new certification and and I know that I hadn't really seen or spoken to you in years um, but there's just something in my gut that just said contact her, go find out what this is. And from that moment, I healed. And then we started connecting, writing together every week, which then turned into the podcast, which has now turned into Wise Women Lead, and I've never felt so purposeful in my work ever. It feels like it was always supposed to emerge. It was supposed to be like you know. Yes, that time when we first met, it wasn't the right time, but now it is, and yeah, so we're opening up the school, we're welcoming women in and, yeah, like I said, I've never felt so purposeful in my work and it's that magic and mystery thing that I just keep going on about today.
Speaker 2:That just gives me hope, because when I think about the magic and the mystery and the life journeys that we're on and how we interconnect and how we know that that person is your, one of your people, you know, you just know it. It's like you know what I mean. We could sit and go. Well, lucy lives, you know, she's about four hours away from me. That's not kind of what I want right now, because I want someone who lives down the road. No, I mean, that's just not what is happening. You're like there, she is shining over there. She's the person I want to do this.
Speaker 2:Whatever we were going to create, we knew we were going to create something. After we started to talk on this podcast, we said we just let that evolve. But there's something happening that's bigger than us, that's outside of us and inside of us. That is almost, like you know, like we signed up to the co-active coaching journey in 2012, we didn't know each other. You know, we spent six months together training on how to be a co-active coach. Um, there was a spark and a connection. Um, now we are in 2025, you know, and we are. We have our wisdom school. That is, you know, being born out into the world.
Speaker 2:There's a magic to that and we, if you'd have said to me on that day when we first met, we're going to do wisdom school together in 2025, I mean I would have been really excited about it, but I would have laughed because it would have you know what I mean, because it would have been so bold and brave and wonderful, um, that you got that vision and we would.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:But it's like you don't know, when you meet people, where it's going to take you, and I think we've all become very conditioned and very tired and very disillusioned Well, I'm going to talk about myself disillusioned with what's going on in the world and it's easy to get caught up in that energy and that that sort of energy is a big energy and it needs processing, it needs to be helped through you.
Speaker 2:But if we also, you know, go higher than that, do the work to get that stuff out of our system, the despair and the disgust I've been talking a lot about that recently and I also allow us to allow ourselves to believe in the mystery and the magic and the fact that we have these like purposes in our lives and that our soul has a plan for us and it's connecting us to the right people. And really, we're here to stay open. Um, you know, listen to the gut instincts, listen to, um, what we're being told from within ourselves, and follow it one step at a time, then magic's going to happen and we're going to be part of that magic. And that is what we're here to do, um, not just with it, with each other, but, you know, with women, because when we open up to things, it's incredible and that's how I feel now.
Speaker 1:I feel like what we're doing together is incredible, um, and it doesn't just serve me and serve you. This has the potential to really change the world and that really excites me. I don't I don't know how, um, we have our first program that we've created, but beyond that, who knows? And that is equally as exciting for me, and I don't think I'd have been ready in 2012. I don't think I was mature enough, I don't think I was wise enough, and when I look back at the journey I've been on since then, I've had a lot of pain, a lot of growing up, a lot of trauma, a lot of love and joy and abundance and new experiences, and I feel more formed and more developed and more ready to really hold space for others. So, yeah, the seed was planted way back then in 2022, probably before then when we were being called to sign up to that programme at that time to bring us together. Yeah, I'm just so excited meet it.
Speaker 2:And it's like knowing. I think the thing that's coming up for me is that there is a knowing that what you have on your plate right now, um, or in your life right now, isn't isn't doing it for you anymore. Like there's like this, just there's a. That's the knowing that starts. It's like you know, the seed of discontent, the seed of disgust, like a niggle or a disc in your eye this isn't working, that this is not.
Speaker 2:It's not. I don't feel fulfilled. I am. I know that when I'm doing. You know I was that woman. I was in a great job, I loved what I was doing, I was very successful. But I have this seed in me that was like this has been good, but it's not your future and it's not forever, and I knew it when I started the job. When I started in PR I did 17 years there I knew that I wouldn't be doing it in midlife. I knew I wouldn't be able to have a family and do it the way I wanted to do it. So I there was a knowing in me but it was really great for that sort of period of time.
Speaker 2:And then, by the time I got into that co-active coaching room in 2012 and met you, I remember sort of getting halfway through it and we were doing the module was fulfillment and I remember, in fulfillment, about feeling great. We're doing all this beautiful work, you know, and I just cried the whole way through it. For two days I just didn't stop crying and every time I had to stand up and do something wonderful, I was just. I was in bits because I was like I'm so unfulfilled in my life. I cannot, I can't ignore it anymore. I have to face the fact that I feel totally disillusioned, you know, and so incredibly alone. Um so, yeah, I left that. I left that day. I went into work on a Monday and I resigned. I was like you know, I was like I can't ignore this anymore. This feeling is so strong in me now that I have to act. So I did act, and then it's like oh my god, I've just resigned from my job. Now I've got it.
Speaker 1:Like you know, I hadn't even finished my coaching qualification but I'm just gonna say you are the archetype of a wise woman leading her own life right in that moment and I didn't.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I didn't know how I was going to do it. I didn't know if it was going to work. I didn't know like I didn't. Yeah, because I didn't know how I was going to do it, I didn't know if it was going to work. I didn't know, like I didn't have any of that stuff, you know, worked out for me.
Speaker 2:But I had a very strong sense of the right thing and trusting in the bigger picture, in a way like maybe not. You know, initially you're like, oh my God, I'm scrambling around here, what the hell am I going to do? But actually, longer term, I was like got a good feeling, I'm going to follow it. I have to do this now. I can't. I've done 17 years. I have to start over. Um, but it came from that feeling of absolutely like unfulfillment. Um, and we've been willing to listen to that and not just accept that that was enough for me, because it really wasn't enough for me and and look what's happened since. So, um, you know we all have our own versions of that. But what I want to say is you know anyone who, anyone who's listening and goes yes, that's me, that's me, that's exactly where I am. Welcome to the welcome to the party.
Speaker 1:Because and also just remember that wisdom is discernment, it's knowing that this moment I cannot carry on down that path. It's not being reckless and just like on a whim just doing something. It has to come from somewhere deep inside. So, on a practical level, we're not encouraging our listeners. Oh, you're unhappy, go and tear down your house. It's, it's a deeper, deeper thing this all knowing within you that what the path you're on is absolutely the wrong path and you don't have to act straight away.
Speaker 1:Sometimes it can be a simmering. Honestly, it took me two years to be free of a really toxic relationship. Every day, that simmering got stronger and stronger and I created a plan. I you know I was being gaslit, but my inner wisdom kept telling me no, you're on the right path, you are correct, and and that's what saved me. So sometimes, like I have done many times in my life, I have just made a knee-jerk reaction from a deep place of knowing and it's been amazing for me. But sometimes it is a gentle tug, a little nudge, until the right time to move and act is.
Speaker 1:So this is a probably a good point to get a little bit practical about how you can maybe be a bit more wise in your, in your life today. So I'm just going to give a couple of examples that I want to ask you, karen, to join me. So you know I'm a head heart kind of girl, um, and I always say I don't know I've been saying this for years, but you decide with your heart and then make a plan with your head. If you do it the other way around, if you're trying to decide from your head, you're just going to get too many questions and anxieties and worries and what ifs and what nots. So always go with your gut, your heart, your instincts, your intuition. That is the bit that is going to be the wisest choice maker for you and then make a plan.
Speaker 1:So that's something I encourage all of you to do Tune into your gut, listen to all those little nerve endings, tune into your heart, your intuition, because they tell you everything that you need and then make a plan, plan, decide where you go from there. And then the other points I just wanted to just raise is that, for me, learning from lived experience no matter whether it's the good stuff or the really horrible stuff everything that you go through is a gift. If you choose to see it that way, it has taught you something about what you take a stand for, or if something doesn't feel right, or when you dishonored your gut and got yourself into trouble, you know when you have been the victim of something. Everything is a gift, because all of that is still stored within you and it means that next time you can go deep, you can go wise and you can really trust yourself. Um, so, yes, everything is a gift, and that's the place where wisdom comes from.
Speaker 2:Thereby two bits of practicality I think for me, like discernment's a really big word and if you've not been listening on the inside to you know there's a lot of information in our bodies and but if you're like, or if you've learned, to sort of shut that down and come into the head and use, you know, use your brain to sort of like fix and problem solve, then it's going to take a little bit of time, but not too much time. You'll be surprised at how quickly you know, once you open up to the body's wisdom, um, how quickly you can access I. I see it all the time. So this is not going to be like you know. It's going to take years and years and years. I'm not saying that, but it is like that sort of point of actually just listening to the emotions, listening to the feelings or the sensations in the body is really, really important. You know, and I mean I'll never forget the first time somebody said to me use your discernment. I didn't know what the word meant. Um, that's going looking.
Speaker 2:I had to go, I went home and I mean, I don't even know if google existed, to be honest. But, um, no, google did exist. I went home and I and I googled it and I read it and I was like what on earth does that mean, you know? And um, because I was, I've always been intuitive and I, I've always been creative, but I've also been very open as a person. So I, I had all this openness and then people would think, oh, she's very open, brilliant, you know what I mean. And they would attach to me, not always in the best way.
Speaker 2:So I had to learn discernment. I had to learn to be like, yes, I am open, but not with you. You're giving me really bad vibes, or I don't feel good in my body, or I've got these sensations and it's very uncomfortable. So, actually, one, these sensations and it's very uncomfortable. So actually, one way or another, whether you're a great person or not, you're not allowed in. So I've had to learn that through time. That, for me, is what discernment is. It's like I may be like this with most people, but I'm not like that with you, because I'm listening to what's happening on the inside of my body. I've decided I'm not going to. You know, jump in that taxi with that tax driver, or I'm not. I'm actually going to call somebody to come and meet me off the bus, or you know, whatever it might be, I'm going to put these things in place and I'm going to ask for what I need. I'm going to ask for help where I need it. That's that's, that's discernment for me, and knowing that if I'm feeling something strongly, then it's a boundary that I need to listen to within myself that needs honouring. So I've been. Now I can sort of see what that is. But I remember when some put this person said you need to go and practice discernment, because she saw how open I was and I was like I had to.
Speaker 2:It's taken me years to work that out, um, so I don't want any other woman to go through that process of like, what do you mean discernment? What do you mean wisdom? Like we want to really bring this to life for women in a way that they can access it easily, simply, and that will change and shift their lives for the better. So that's the big one for me. And the other thing is like to work with an inquiry, you know, for the women who like to journal. And if you don't try it, you know. You can just say you know you have an inquiry that you work with. You can do it every single day for two weeks, every single day of your life, just once, whatever you decide.
Speaker 2:But it's like what does my wise voice want me to know right now? Or what does my wisdom know about this situation? And just allow the information to come through. And writing down makes it easier because it just gets it out of your head. Hence why you can just write it on the page. Um, if nothing's coming, just just write wisdom, wisdom, I am wise, I am wise, I am wise, I know. And then just let it come through and it will. It will give you information that you can trust and just work with that, and that keeps it nice and simple, and then you'll be able to do it in the moment. You know where you go. Oh, got feeling. What's it saying? What do I need?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I just want to say I always feel so much wiser for every conversation I ever have with you, and thank you for giving me this gift. And to the listeners, thank you for spending time with us now. We encourage you to go reflect, listen to our voices in your head. Uh, see what comes up for you, write journal, dance, do whatever you need to do, but be wise, be women and lead, and don't forget to hit the like button. Follow us, leave us a review and tune in for more Wisdom Talk next week. So thanks for listening and we can't wait to welcome you next time.
Speaker 2:Until then, use your voice, journal, speak or sing out loud. However you do it, we hope you join us in Saying.
Speaker 1:It.
Speaker 2:Sister.