Say it Sister...
Lucy and Karen, two 40-somethings, are always chatting about life, and all that it has to throw at them, and now want to share their raw, honest conversations with you. Their journey of self-discovery and healing is something many of us can relate to. We all possess a unique power within us, but life’s trials often knock us off course. They have the tools, the courage to speak up and simply say it as it is, so you might feel seen, and understood and gain practical tools and techniques for self-discovery and personal growth during the changes we experience.
Say it Sister...
Ageism. Too Young, Too Old, Never Just Right?
Lucy and Karen explore how we can reclaim our power by embracing our age rather than seeing it as a problem to fix, sharing personal experiences of navigating ageism throughout their careers and personal lives. They discuss the liberating perspective shifts that come with midlife and the importance of finding champions at every stage.
• Finding confidence to be authentically yourself regardless of age
• Navigating workplace dynamics when being perceived as "too young" or "too old"
• Different approaches to handling ageism: downplaying versus amplifying femininity
• The joy of finding intergenerational female champions and becoming one yourself
• Shifting from caring about others' perceptions to caring more about what truly matters
• Recognizing that careers have natural cycles of growth, stability, and reinvention
• The painful reality of invisibility facing women in their 50s and 60s despite their expertise
• Finding inspiration in women like Edith Eager who found her true calling in her 40s and made her biggest impact in her 70s
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Hello and welcome to the Say it Sister podcast.
Speaker 2:I'm Lucy and I'm Karen, and we're thrilled to have you here. Our paths crossed years ago on a shared journey of self-discovery, and what we found was an unshakable bond and a mutual desire to help others heal and live their very best lives.
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Speaker 1:So join us as we explore, question and grow together. It's time to say Say it, Sister.
Speaker 2:Welcome, to Say it, sister, the place where we get real about what it means to be a woman, a leader and a human navigating the world as it is and as we want it to be. Today we're diving into a topic that touches almost every woman. I know ageism, the pressure to be older when we're young, to stay young when we're older, to shrink ourselves to fit someone else's idea of what's right, and that includes image and status. But what if we start performing our age and we started to own it? What if your age isn't a problem to fix but a source of power to reclaim?
Speaker 1:it's um, it's a weird one. This because when I was younger I just always wanted to be older. And then I think I've got this stereophonics line that always comes into my head We'll always be 23. And in my head I feel like I have stuck at 23 mentally for a long time. But actually right now I'm feeling like a grown woman and I'm really embracing the age that I'm at and not really caring too much. But I'm also at the age where I'm not too old but I'm also not too young. I think I'm in a bit of a sweet spot. So yeah, I'm embracing it. But I do wonder what it's going to be like when I hit that 55, 60, 65 mark, whether I'll be treated in a almost dismissive way as the same when I was maybe 18 or 19, when I was dismissed for being too young. What?
Speaker 2:are your thoughts where is it with you? I don't know. I do feel very young at heart in a lot of ways and, yeah, I have got a new. I've got this sort of energy inside, even though sometimes I'm really tired. There's an energy in me that just, I don't know, gets me sort of excited and interested. Um, I don't have it. I don't like the way I used to live my life. I used to be so much more out in the world and I'm not. Now that I'm a mum of a six-year-old, I'm not so much so, but I'm recently starting to feel that rising again and I'm starting to do more things for myself and, you know, go to gigs and you know, realize that I've still got it. It's like a feeling of, oh, I've still got it. You know. So clearly there's been some shifts and changes for me, you know, from that rock and roll girl who was out partying and doing things and traveling the world, to much more sort of, um, home-based these days and I'm like, has that got something to do with?
Speaker 2:age and I always ask the question when I have friends, conversations with my friends, I'll say do I think that because of my age or is it really happening? Like, is the world getting crazier? Um, are we going backwards? Is it dangerous to go, you know, into the cities? Is it because I'm older, because I never thought about that before when I was younger, or is it genuinely because that's true? And I have so many debates about this and I think it's probably a bit of both, to be honest. Um, and that's interesting for me because it's like, oh, there's a shift. It's like getting older, you're like you start to notice these sort of different pauses and acceleration sometimes and then they're pulling back and obviously the years are ticking by.
Speaker 2:I'm 50 soon, uh, well, next year what I know about myself is I've always lived a year ahead. I've always been like you know, I'm this age, and then someone will say, no, you're not, you're like a year younger than that, and I'll be like, yeah, you're right. So clearly I've always wanted to get somewhere. I've always wanted to, you know, arrive, and I've spent a lot of my life sort of chasing that. Yeah, just a lot of thinking for me.
Speaker 2:I've been really, really really pondering it, because I've generally been quite I've been lucky, I think. I've been accepted by people, I've built good relationships, and those relationships have taken me through through all the different careers I've had and all the different clients and jobs that I've had. I can't imagine being turned away from someone because of my age that would be, but I know that that happens, and so this is the bit that we need to talk about, because we have our own personal experiences. And then there's what goes on in the world um, so let's, let's, let's, let's go deeper today and let's see what we might even learn on this podcast. When did you first become aware of your age being seen as a problem, either too young or too old?
Speaker 1:I think there was not so much career-wise, although there were certain jobs that I was blocked from for being told that I was not experienced enough or I wasn't strategic enough, or the big word that always sticks with me. I didn't have gravitas and at the time I was like, well, I even questioned what does that word even mean? And they weren't able to explain it, so I just dismissed it, um, but I felt a real um, jarring, because I'm like this is actually what you're saying is I'm too young, or and actually now I look back at what I know now, the role was traditionally held by people in their, probably in their 40s. And there was I, at 27, 28, going for the job, and I can see now, actually I'm a lot wiser, have more experience and a lot more level, a lot more strategic. So actually it was probably that I was lacking those qualities. However, if you'd put me in that role, I'd have learned them pretty damn quick, because that's the whole point of experience When're in it, you learn it.
Speaker 1:So I think there was that, but for most of my life it's been my personal life decisions that I've always had age come into it, whether it's like, oh, you're too young to be getting married, or oh, you're the first in our friendship group to be having a child and like you're having a young child, yeah, I went to the school yard and I was actually the same age as everybody else, or you're too young to be doing xyz. So it's other people's judgments on what I should be doing at my age whether it was at 18, whether I'm 48, whatever it is and it's because they're judging me based on the decisions that they made and their moral code and their belief system about what you should be doing at that age, and it's got absolutely nothing to do with me. But every time I had that when I was in my younger years, I questioned myself am I too old? Am I too young? Is this right for me? And it's only later on that I'm like, yeah, but that stuff you go deal with that. I'm living my life.
Speaker 1:So that I think that's where it came from and I guess I was always mature for my age and I always hung around with older people. So when I decided that at 26 I wanted to have a baby, um, you know, my mum had her children at 23 and 25, and I think she was classed as an old mum back then. So being a mum at 26 didn't really, you know, encounter my head that I was too young, but because my social circle was a lot more career women, it was the women that were judging me, but I think it was more more about them thinking should I be having kids now? So, yeah, that's where it is for me. What about you?
Speaker 2:I was a lot more in that piece already. That's making me think. But you know, I think my whole thing is I was, I'm not. I've always sort of had to really sort of work on my confidence and my self-esteem, always from being a little girl and work on my voice as well, like it's not come easy for me, so I've always had to do that work. I didn't really have the words for it before and now I do, but definitely, you know, I've always pushed myself forward, like I think I had this desire to escape my surroundings as a child and to leave where I grew up. I didn't want to live there and I didn't feel like I belonged there. So there was a fire in me that pushed me outside of what I was actually feeling on the inside, like a force really. Um, I see it in my daughter as well and it's like I can't describe it. In some ways it could be my ego, but it's actually pushing me forward in a really good way, because I always wanted to see the world and I wanted to have experiences and I wanted to. I always knew I wanted to work and be. You know, I always was very creative and I was like ideas, like would always be coming through, and I had that from being really, really young.
Speaker 2:And as I then went through education, I was trying to find the right thing for me and I found PR, which was perfect for me, actually on so many different levels. And then when I, when I was in my mid-20s, towards the late 20s, I ended up working for an agency called Propaganda, and GHD was the brand that landed on my desk in a way, and it wasn't that well known, but it was had a small, very small cult following and what I started to see for that brand was very different to what was happening. So I went into the CEO, who I'm still friends with, and said Julian, I don't agree with this. I mean, I look back now and I go so what was that fuel that that did that for me? And it was a sense of this is not right like this is just not the way it should be done. And he said I've been thinking the same thing. He said OK, well, over to you. You're going to now head that account up. I'm going to make you.
Speaker 2:It didn't happen immediately in that, in that first meeting actually and then he came back and said I want to make you head of consumer PR. I think I was 27 at the time. So the current role I had was a senior account manager role and I became like head of a department and he said grow your own team, do it your way. And I've talked about this before and that was almost like I went into shocker thing, to be honest, because I never went in wanting something like that. I just had to speak up for what I thought was right.
Speaker 2:Then I went away. I thought, oh my, and then I started to freak out on the inside like massive, massive freak out. So there was no ageism there in my in that career context. It was actually the opposite, because I got then sort of like put into the spotlight. But what happened with the people that were around me, that were established, that were already working at the agency, was they then sort of looked at me and said, hold on, she's 27? Yeah, so I got it from. I got it from the sidelines in a way, and they were very strategic in trying to take me down, which didn't work in their favor. Actually, it backfired because I was really, really knew what to do. I just had this vision and I took it forward.
Speaker 2:But it was what was going on on the inside of me. That was the bit where the ages and peace are the not feeling good enough, I think I'm going to go back to. I'm only 27. What do I know about leading teams? What do I know about leadership? I've managed, managed people, but I don't know how to lead a department. What do I know about um? I know what to do in my job and I'm brilliant at my job. It was literally like I really did go into a place where I was like I can't do it, I can't do it, I can't do it, I can't do it. And then every day, I'd show up and do what I was doing and do a great job.
Speaker 1:And that's the bit where I said you know, you only learn by actually being in there and doing it. So you were a brilliant leader and you learned on the job. You trusted your gut.
Speaker 2:I would never have gone to that role or that job unless it hadn't been presented to me like it had to be handed to me. And I feel like in my life that's what's happened for me. A lot people have handed me things and I've taken it and gone right, okay, um, and then I've had to do my own personal work on the inside to say you are good enough, you can do it, and, working with coaches, you know now I can do that stuff for myself, but at the time I needed some, some exterior things. So there was ages of happening from the sidelines and probably some agesism happening on the inside of me, from myself.
Speaker 2:You know my self-talk, which has been brought up, I suppose. Really, I picked up on that from the systems around me, not necessarily my boss who was head of you know who was in charge of the agency, but that was around me. You just didn't do that at those ages. So, yeah, I experienced it young but I overcame it. That's the piece that I want people to know you can overcome. Overcome, you know, imposter syndrome or ageism or whatever it is that, whatever label we're going to give it.
Speaker 1:I think.
Speaker 1:But I had, um, a lot of experiences where I had, I felt this pressure to act in a certain way in certain environments, to fit in with the age and um, and particularly around work, because I was usually the youngest, and not only was I usually the only or very few women in that environment, I was always the youngest woman, and so there was the age thing and the gender thing going on and I couldn't really separate the two because I was just me, but I always felt like I had to almost act up and speak very professionally.
Speaker 1:I'd come up with this language, that and all these acronyms that they weren't my language, it wasn't me, but it was how I would be taken seriously and I used to dress the part and be very conservative in the clothes that I would wear. Like, dress the part and be very conservative in the clothes that I would wear and almost like, try not to be too sexual in my clothing because I was at those child rearing years, you know I had all the curves in the right places, but I would try and cover all of that up. So I'd be taken seriously and bit by bit I was like I was losing myself myself, the part of me that they hired because of my vivaciousness started to be eroded and I think that was like it's a real sadness that I have for that.
Speaker 2:That woman in her 20s, yeah you should have boobs out and you know, just enjoying that feminine form. I can hear that. I can hear that I was the opposite. I went full, full force. Once I kind of got my mojo, I went. But I didn't have, I wasn't in a you know, yeah, I didn't have a family. So I think that would have shifted me, had I have had a family perhaps at that point. But I definitely went down the whole like hard rock and roll um party girl, but professional you know we were in different industries.
Speaker 1:I was in the energy sector.
Speaker 2:I would not have washed. I wanted everyone to know that I had my shit together, though, like I was very, very like, take me seriously, but I would be going into into working a pvc skirt, um, and god knows what I had on the top. You know, like I did I just it's interesting for me because I've done work on this personally. You know, when you are sexualized from a young age and you're curving, people talk about your body. Something happens at a certain point, I think, in our lives as women, where we start to then move towards it because it's what we know. And actually for me it was like well, I may as well take ownership of this body because I'm going to get the comments and things anyway. So I may as well, I may as well have the pvc skirt on and I may as well.
Speaker 2:If I want to go out in a corset, I'll wear a corset. So I wore a lot of corsets, so I amped it up, you know was like it's mine, I'm going to own it. You know, I became more, much more sexualized than what maybe I really even wanted to be honest. So I've had to heal that part of me in a different way to you. It sounds like you wanted a bit more of that, and perhaps I needed a little bit less, but either way, that's how I showed up, and I was quite fearless in some ways. Once I got over my insecurities, I didn't really look back, and I'm also quite happy about that in some ways as well.
Speaker 1:I didn't really look back and I'm also quite, I'm quite happy about that in some ways as well. I'd also like to just to say to any listeners that part of being in your 20s is all about trying to find out who you are, and we often say that's part of being excuse me, part of being a teenager. But no, that's about detaching yourself from your family and finding your way as an independent person, whereas during your 20s, it's absolutely about finding your way as an independent person, whereas during your 20s, it's absolutely about finding your place in the world. Who am I? What's my tribe? Where do I fit in? Um, and so it's completely normal to feel the pressure to change the way you look, the way you speak, until you find it like ah, this feels like me. Unfortunately, um, you tend to like chip away of actually your true self. Yeah, just to fit in. And by the time you get to our age, we are actually quite fearless in the sense that we are unapologetically trying to be ourselves and we care less about um other people because we have our tribe, we have our units at that stage, who are supporting and love us anyway, and so we feel that we can be ourselves, and I think that's something that I really love about being the age that I am now and my perimenopause started around 42 and I've got images of me going into Covid where I'd basically done like two or three years of Slimming World and I looked amazing.
Speaker 1:You know I would have well, I probably wouldn't have worn a bikini, but you know it was like I had a bikini body and um, I look at myself now like wow. And then I look at myself today and I've got a pot, I've got the meno belly, and I see all of like these images coming on saying get rid of your meno belly, da, da, da. And I'm like actually no, it's just a life stage I'm going through. I'm not going to fight somebody else's view of what a woman of my age should look like. I'm just going to be me and I wear clothes that accentuate my best bits that I feel really good in and the number of times I get compliments because I'm not constantly fidgeting with my clothes and worrying about what I look like. I just turn up and I'm free, and I think that's something I really love about being this age. What about you?
Speaker 2:Well, it's liberating, isn't it? Because all of a sudden, you're not doing it to impress anybody else, it's just about how you feel on the inside. And I can show up, you know, show in my flaws, you know the aging process and all of that. I can do that and I can love myself for that. This is where I've got to. This is my breakthrough. I can also cover the roots, put makeup on to cover up my, like, menopausal skin. Um, I can also do that and love myself.
Speaker 2:And when I look in the mirror, I make a. I make a regular, consistent choice to look into my eyes and go, I love you. And if I'm doing anything, I'll actually sometimes I, I love you. And if I'm doing anything, I'll actually sometimes I'll go on to Zoom, if I'm at my desk, just to look in my eyes and I'll just say, yeah, I love you, you know, and I might do it on my phone sometimes, and then I'll come out of the Zoom because I don't need to be on Zoom, because it's little things like that that make me go. I'm doing all right. I'm doing all right.
Speaker 2:No, no, my body's not the same, but I'd never do a diet ever again. I quit diets. When I became a mom, you know, as soon as that I got into the pregnancy thing, had a baby I was like I'm never doing a diet, ever again. It is so insidious what I'm trying to do, but I'd lived my whole life through diet, cultures, really, and yeah, so I I'm celebrating that because I'm just like my body's amazing. I've done so much with this body and it's been through so much and I love my body for all of that Much more important to me that than the you know, the size that I mean, or any of those things. I feel like my body actually looks happier in a way than what I.
Speaker 2:When I look back because of the picture sometimes I think, oh, wow, I just, I can see. I can see the dissatisfaction, you know, and the harshness, because that's how I live my life and that's what, how I was on the inside, whereas now I'm much more accepting and kind. Yeah, and it's interesting because I was thinking to myself, what is it about this life stage? And I nearly said to myself I care less. That's actually not true. I actually care more. I care more now than I've ever cared before and I'm compelled to speak up more than I've ever been before and that's the bit that I want to celebrate about getting older. So, because it can be like I don't care what people think of me no, I do care. But I really care about the bigger picture and I really care about where we're going in society and I really care about you know, the work we're doing and evolving cultures in business so that it is much more balanced. I care about that so incredibly much that it makes me want to weep and I'm celebrating that.
Speaker 1:One of the other things that I am hugely caring about is something that I probably didn't have in my 20s, maybe my early 30s and that is older women, who are my biggest champions.
Speaker 1:And I think I don't know what it was, but I I suspect it was a bit of fear, a bit of competition, um, because you know, in the early noughties we still had this rhetoric that you know it was, uh, women were bitches and we had to look out, um, for number one.
Speaker 1:And I think things are changing now and we're realizing that there is a sisterhood, and there is nothing more wonderful for me to go and champion another sister coming up, uh, whether she's in her 20s or 30s, and whether it's promoting something on social media or going to an opening event that they're doing, or just giving them that, and that champion and saying this is great work and that's something that I absolutely love about this stage of life. But equally, I'm doing it for those older women as well, the ones who I'm looking at their work and what they're doing out in the world and I'm, like you're amazing, because now they are being more vocal and more seen, um, and so I'm getting my role models all over again. So this is something I'm really loving about my age. Now I can mentor and equally learn from the younger ones coming behind, but I'm also I've still got a whole load of role models that I still aspire to be like.
Speaker 2:I think, yeah, absolutely, and that's really important for all of us to have, you know women around you go, because I there's a lot of the women that I coach. I look at them and I'm like wow, and when I first started it used to terrify me because I would be like going into the you know the room as a coach with these incredible women at the very top on it. I was quite intimidated, if I'm being honest, and then I got over myself. As soon as I got into the coaching space, I got over myself and then, you know, now I just don't even think about these things Like, I go there as an equal, we do important work and we meet each other where we are and all of that. So that's a huge shift for me as I've got older, where I'm like no'm here and then let's do the work, let's go, regardless of someone's position or rank. Um, that stuff doesn't affect me anymore at all. So as I'm talking, I'm realizing that's quite a big shift, because it wasn't like that eight years ago. Um, now it is. So there's something about that sort of meeting other women where they actually are looking at their brilliance and understanding that we're brilliant too, and then that's when the magic can really really happen, because there's no inequality happening. You know there's no. You're better, I'm better than you, or you're better than me, or you've reached higher, you know. It kind of cuts all that crap out. We don't really need any of that, to be honest. What we need is just a mutual respect that goes two ways in relationships, and then we can do the work.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I feel like, as women, I the things I do hear that break my heart is things like I don't know if I've got any more in me, or, um, this might be the last, or and this is from the older generation or I don't know if I'm employable anymore. They're, they're comments that I hear and have heard a lot of, and it really breaks my heart because these are really amazing, established, trailblazing, fantastic. They can have what they want in a way like they've still got the longevity. But it's the fear that comes underneath from within. Maybe we'll get to that point one day, lucy, where we're saying that as well and we're saying it out loud to women and you know, I'm like you can create whatever you want, you know, and you are creating whatever you want, but I feel like there's just something that sort of starts to seep in.
Speaker 2:Um, there's been a lot of mass redundancies and restructures around the world. You know, we've got AI coming in. I think these are all like genuine fears and pressures and concerns that women have, and it's really important to talk about it, because I always remind them of who they are, what they've done, and we start to look at what does success even really mean and what are the wins for you, what are the real wins? And when you break it down, the wins are immense.
Speaker 1:Um so, so those are the conversations I think we need to be really, really careful of, and I agree, and one of my um role models is Edith Eager, and she didn't actually start practicing as a psychotherapist until her mid-40s and she'd been in a completely different career up until that point. And it wasn't until she was in her 70s that she started writing books about her work but also her life experience, and that is when she became visible and started impacting the lives of the world. And I just look at her and I think she's in her 90s now and I just think, wow, it took her till she was in her 40s to find her true path. And it took her until she was in her 40s to find her true path and it took her until she was in her 70s to actually get a message out there into the world. There's plenty of time for all of us.
Speaker 1:But I also have a lot of friends who are in their late 50s, early 60s, who, like you say, have been made redundant or have needed to leave the organisation for whatever reasons, and they are not getting the jobs, they're not being seen um, their applications are just going, you know, under the radar, whereas you know, women in their you know, 30s, maybe early 40s, are still getting the offers, because there's something about midlife being the prime, and then, once you pass that midlife point, well, you're too old now, and I think it happens for men and women, yeah, but particularly women, especially in the more senior roles, and it's devastating. And, like the women that I know who are in those life stages, they are still doing loads of work, acting as governors or neds on the board and they're giving their time freely and they are welcome because they've got so much talent and brilliance, but they're not being paid for it and that's just wrong agreed, agreed.
Speaker 2:We have to feel like we're valued, and I think value comes into many different areas, but for me, if the, if the money is not right, it's not right because there's something that sits on the inside. That's that's about. You know, we live in a world where we, where money is a language, and so we need to be part of that language and having those languages and those conversations it's fundamental. I learned that very early on in my coaching career and it's stuck with me ever since. And it doesn't mean that I don't do things for free, because I really do, and the things I do for free, I'm really happy to do for free, but I also need to get paid for the other things and get paid well, and it's as simple as that. You know we can trade, but, um, not at our expense. That's where it takes me. What message would you give to women who feel invisible or not enough because of their age?
Speaker 1:it's probably slightly different advice depending on the age that they are, um, because there is, yeah, there are different life stages, so they, they might want something slightly different. For the younger ones, what I would absolutely say is go find a champion, whether it's a coach, a friend, a mentor, at work or in a completely different environment. But I know what worked for me is having somebody champion me when I had those self-doubts, or gave me some of their wisdom. So, yeah, for the younger generation, you're not alone in this. Don't try and figure it out on your own. Get somebody who is willing to back you and if you need to go and pay them to do it, as, like you know, coaching or whatever, go get it. It will absolutely, you know, catapult your life.
Speaker 1:For those who are slightly of the older age, so I'm saying midlife plus, oh, um, oh, girl, you're only just getting started. Um, this is a time to actually go back and do a bit of a review on all of your skills, all of your passions, all of your brilliance. Um, and just yeah, just remember you are literally just getting going, but the way that you were going before might be different. So, turning up to work in a nine to five office doing that daily commute. That might be just too exhausting, but you can still do your powerful, amazing work. You might just need to redirect. That's probably the best advice I would give.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I do think that things go in cycles as well. I do. You know there's people talk about the seven year cycle um, sometimes it's more than that. But I do feel like we go, we're on this sort of circular thing and there's times when we are um reaping things, times when we are sowing, you know, putting the seeds in, and times when we're cultivating and it does shift.
Speaker 2:And I can look back on my career and think I've definitely had some like there's been pivotal years in my career, pivotal moments, pivotal jobs, where I've gone wow, that was me, in my absolute power. It's happened to me. I think I would say like now is that period that I'm in, and then I've had it in my own corporate jobs in two different careers where you know I was there for like six years at a time and wow, wow, wow, wow. And I still look back and go unbelievable, like amazing, like just can't quite believe. And then I've had other years that I've just felt like treading water, you know, can't quite find, find it fully, but still doing good stuff, you know. And then other years where it's been like this is diabolical, like nothing's coming together for me, and this one's in, I've tried, looking back I can go. There's times when I've gone, I've tried to make things work. Everything I've tried, nothing's working, nothing's coming together. And those were the years when I needed space and time to do deep healing. There was always a reason for it. Like none of it was like just a random year. It was like just a random year. So I can look back through the secular journey of my life and my career and go oh yeah, I can see, I can see where I was, I can see what was happening, I can see why that happened and it makes a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 2:So I think we just need to remember that, that we go through the cycles and if things start to fall apart, it's because there's something else that's coming through, but you can't see it yet. So we're on that journey of like letting go of that which is always hard for us into sometimes a bit more space and time before we can actually reach for the next thing. And sometimes it comes in immediately and we're off. But it doesn't always. And if that is happening, where it's not coming together and I have a lot of women in my life who I know, who I've worked with before, who are having awful times, everything, and like I don't mean awful, everything's breaking, nothing's working, and I've been there myself.
Speaker 2:So I'm like I don't mean awful, everything's breaking, nothing's working. And I've been there myself. So I'm like I know what you're talking about. It will, you will find yourself in a different place, but I don't know how long it's going to take for you, because I'm not. I can't tell you that, but trust the process of your own life and the devastation that comes in sometimes and it is truly devastating and know that you will arrive somewhere else, you know, and you'll be able to look back and understand it. Um, so that's, that's what's coming through for me.
Speaker 1:It's just just to trust yourself in your journey and I um, I can't remember where I read this or heard it, but, um, whoever it was said, age is all relative and you know when you are in primary school, if your birthday is in September, you are the oldest in your year group by the time you get to your 20s. You're old compared to a year six child, but you're really young to a 90 year old, and it is all relative depending on the circles that you you keep. And so you're never too old, you're never too young. You are exactly who you are supposed to be and where you are meant to be at that time. Your story, your voice, your presence they matter now. So it's not about you know when you look different, or whether you're a size eight or a size 16, or when you feel ready for something, or reaching some imaginary goal, or always thinking you're a year ahead of your age. Your time is now.
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