Say it Sister...
Lucy and Karen, two 40-somethings, are always chatting about life, and all that it has to throw at them, and now want to share their raw, honest conversations with you. Their journey of finding their own voices, self-discovery and healing is something many of us can relate to. We all possess a unique power within us, but life’s trials often knock us off course. They have the tools, the courage to speak up and simply say it as it is, so you might feel seen, and understood and gain practical tools and techniques for self-discovery and personal growth during the changes we experience.
Say it Sister...
MenoPositive take over: Regenerate, Don’t Decline
We have teamed up with Lisa Jedan of MenoPositive this month to put the focus on women supporting women and Menopause.
So here is our way of showing support - listen to her amazing podcast here.
Does perimenopause or menopause sometimes leave you feeling like you’ve lost your joy? Not just tired or overwhelmed—but like you’ve misplaced a part of yourself?
So many women share this feeling. Not sadness, exactly. But a disconnection from vitality, aliveness… from you. The menopause transition can be confusing, even overwhelming – but it can also be a profound awakening. Things may be changing, but what remains is an extraordinary opportunity to reconnect with your true self – your true essence — and to live more fully than ever before.
In this episode we’re talking about The Journey Back to Joy with the remarkable @estellebingham — holistic therapist, fourth-generation psychic and author of Manifest Your True Essence. Described as “life-changing” by Fearne Cotton, “our best kept secret” by Charlotte Tilbury, and “profound” by Deepak Chopra —Estelle brings powerful insight into healing, self-discovery and living from the heart.. She has helped thousands rediscover their joy, clear old blocks and reconnect with who they are.
In this episode:
• How to rewrite the menopause narrative
• How the heart’s intelligence can guide you to a more aligned, vibrant life
• How compassion can help you meet yourself right where you are
· A simple heart ritual to ground and centre you
· Why shadow work can reveal hidden gifts
· How to reclaim your joy
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Hey everyone, I'm Lisa Judan and welcome to Menopausites.
SPEAKER_03:I got a good, good feeling.
SPEAKER_04:Where we take a refreshingly positive approach to navigating menopause. If you're looking for practical tips, expert advice, and honest conversations, think of this as your personal pick and mix for how to optimize your body. Although we can't prevent menopause, we can redefine it. And that journey starts now. You know that phrase, like attracts like? There's actual science behind it. Our brains are wired to look for things that feel familiar. It's how we build friendships, communities, even careers. But there's something electric about being around people who see the world differently, who step outside the traditional script. That's how I feel after spending time with one of my oldest friends, Cheryl. While I built a career in public relations, working with brands and CEOs and a few celebrities. Cheryl went into sustainability long before sustainability was fashionable. She was surrounded by people working at the World Economic Forum and UNICEF. In my world, I would joke, it's PR, not ER. We're not saving lives here, people. In her world, they actually were saving lives. There were people designing systems to literally save the planet. Every time we meet, I come away a little more conscious. I started asking where my food comes from. I stopped throwing out half drunk glasses of water. And most recently, Cheryl introduced me to wait for it, regenerative gardening. Okay, now stay with me, everybody. Regenerative gardening is about healing the soil. Instead of taking, taking, taking from it and completely depleting it, you leave it to rest so that over time the land heals. It it can feed itself. They restore the land, enrich its natural ecosystem. And like I said, it means that you need less chemicals and less fertilizer. So here's the thing I want you to consider. What if this perimenopausal and menopausal transition wasn't a crisis to manage, but an invitation to regenerate? Most of us, especially women, have spent years focused on output, output, output over our own nourishment. We perform, we provide, we push, and then we patch ourselves up with caffeine, sugar, ibuprofen, tylenol, you name it. This brings me to regenerative health. Have you heard this term? It's the art and science of creating the right conditions for your body to heal itself, to strengthen and to thrive. So just like Glastonbury restoring the soil, we restore ourselves cell by cell, breath by breath, practice by practice. So today, we're exploring two quiet revolutions in the regenerative health space that can help prepare and support women through the menopause transition. PEMF therapy, impulsed electromagnetic field therapy, and perhaps the more familiar, red light therapy. These aren't wellness fads, they're tools backed by science for women like us, women who want to invest in resilience, radiance, and longevity. To help us understand it better, I've invited my new friend Andy Smith to join us. Andy is the founder and CEO of Numed Limited. Over 10 years ago, during a business trip to Australia, Andy developed an unbearable pain in his stomach during his return flight to the UK. After a series of visits to emergency rooms and a range of doctors and specialists, he learned he'd developed a really serious infection that by that time was on the verge of sepsis. His healing journey started with surgery and prescriptions for pills and antibiotics. And it finished with PEMF therapy as he looked for ways to recover faster and heal his body naturally. It had such a profound impact on him. He created the company Celerate and is passionate about helping others learn about, experience, and consider the benefits of PEMF and red light therapy as part of their holistic health and well-being journey. Andy, welcome to MetaPositive. Oh my God, that was a mouthful. Now I know you spend a lot of time with biohackers and performance athletes like Ben Greenfield and whatnot. I saw Orlando Bloom and Professor Green, you know, are into all of this. You know, PEMF. Are we starting? Are we calling it PEMF or is it PEMF? Or what's the best way to say this?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. So I mean, I I've got into the habit of calling it PEMF because I've been doing it for a long time now. And it was kind of the word at the time, but a lot of people are now calling it pemp. It's just a much easier mouthful.
SPEAKER_04:I think it's going to be easier for me to get my mouth around. Okay. So pemp started with elite athletes, you know, and now it's showing up in women's wellness. Did you ever expect, you know, this recovery tech of Olympians and pro, you know, pro-athletes would be used for perimetopause?
SPEAKER_01:It all comes down to the basic principles. So it's all about creating an environment to heal and negating around all our external factors that are happening in the world we live in. So, you know, there's it this is why PEMF, people ask me often what does it help for? And they will send me a list of their conditions and they say, I've got this condition. Can it help for this? And a lot of the time it's all about bringing it back to our ancestral living. So I always tell people that magnetism is uh an essential element. So, and so is light. If you take somebody away from the natural magnetism from the earth, eventually they will die, they will pass away because they need that magnetism for health. Um, NASA was one of the key influential kind of driving factors for PEMF and human use, because Pemph goes back all the way to Nicholas Tesla when they started looking at uh electromagnetic fields. But what NASA was finding was that they would take astronauts up into space, they'd stay up there for a long time, and they would come down with bone issues, so osteoporosis as we know it. And a lot of that was down to the fact that they've been taking away from this natural uh magnetic field that you get from the earth. So you may have heard of grounding. Um, a lot of people, you know, biohackers especially.
SPEAKER_04:Yes, we love hugging trees.
SPEAKER_01:That's it, you know, those those crazy biohackers. You know, at the end of the day, biohacking is getting a bit of uh a buzzword at the moment, but it really is just about creating some small health hacks in your life that is gonna prevent issues later down the line. Um, one of those is taking your shoes off. Uh, if you take your shoes off, you can ground. So, and if you do that outside, that's gonna help connecting you back to the earth's natural magnetic field. That's what the main principle is and what it's what it's there for.
SPEAKER_04:And that's why women, not women, but everybody, why people enjoy or they find just being in nature, they go, God, that felt good when they went away for a weekend or something and into the countryside. Or um, why do I feel so good when I'm outside when I go for a walk and then I come back? Because there is this natural energy or magnetism that's that's happening. Is that right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, exactly. So, you know, it's not woo-woo. Uh, you know, you take your shoes off, you walk in the grass, and people think, you know, that's that those guys. Yeah, who's that crazy person? Yeah. What are they doing? Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I think Ben Greenfield said that he took his shoes off in airports. Now, that was a little bit much. I thought that was pushing it a bit too far.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and the problem is we are kind of shielded from the natural magnetic field from the way we live. So we're we're sitting in a studio right now. We are protected from the Earth's natural magnetic field because of the buildings we're in, lots of um metal structures, all that sort of thing. It's it's conducting all of those magnetic fields as well as the shoes we're wearing. So, you know, we're wearing shoes that are all conductive material, so it's not gonna um allow us to connect back to the earth's natural magnetic field. We drive around in metal cars, all these different things. So we are pulled away from the magnetic field and from light, same thing. We're kind of involved in all this unnatural light every single day. So we are looking at computer screens full of blue lights, you know, um, we watch TV, we're looking at our phone screens. We're really disrupting what we were put on this earth to do. So be connected to nature, be connected to the earth's magnetic field, see natural light. So we don't really, how often do you now go outside when the sun rises, enjoy that first light, connect yourself back to the magnetic field? It it just doesn't happen these days. Even myself, who considers myself a bit of a biohacker, a bit of a health freak, you know, um, even I I still don't get outside and do that in the mornings. Um so we need to find tech that can help replace those.
SPEAKER_04:My husband and I, speaking of that, my husband and I a year ago started doing sky before screen. So when we wake up in the morning, we even looking out a window or he he gets out of the house right away. But they say if you can look at the sky, even just for a few minutes before we even pick up our phone. So I thought sky before screen was nice, was a nice little rule of thumb.
SPEAKER_01:It's a great idea. And just a simple health act that you can do is leave the curtains open. You know, just always leave them open.
SPEAKER_04:Um, even when you go to sleep?
SPEAKER_01:Even when you go to sleep.
SPEAKER_04:Oh god, really dark, Andy. We I live in London. I mean, it's you live in the countryside. It's dark.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I grew up in the country, it was very dark, yeah, with just the stars in the sky. But I think in London with the streetlights, I can't I can't help with that. Okay, I want to take a few steps back here because you've already started talk talking about magnetism and magnets and earth magnet, and and I want to make sure everybody's tracking. So let's start at the beginning. What is PMF therapy, PENF therapy, and why are our cells obsessed with it?
SPEAKER_01:It stands for pulsed electromagnetic field therapy. The basic principles of PENF is that we are putting some copper coils into uh into either a mat or a device, and we put a small charge into the copper core and it creates a magnetic field. We can then pulse it at certain rates so that we have higher and lower frequencies. And the reason we do that is so that we are, again, looking at our circadian rhythm. So we are replicating the brain states throughout the day.
SPEAKER_04:And the high frequency gets us up and out of bed and gets us going, and the lower frequency prepares us for sleep. Yeah. Is that right?
SPEAKER_01:Exactly. So we want to replicate the brain states. So you've got delta throughout sleep, which is your lowest frequency. You've then got theta, which is your like meditative ones, and then you've got um alpha, which is kind of in the evening when you're winding down, and then you've got your beta state, which is alertness throughout the day, which is where we want to kind of be in if we want to be doing podcasts like this, or if we want to be working and we, you know, we want to be switched on. So we want to make sure we're in the right brain states at the right time of day. These devices create a magnetic field, essentially. So if you if you have a picture of the earth and you've ever seen the magnetic field that goes from the north pole round to the south pole, that's basically what a PMF device is. It replicates the Earth's natural magnetic field. And we apply ourselves, we lay on a mat, we sit on a device, or or however we want to apply it, we'll we'll come to that in this podcast. And it works on the body in a cellular level. So the good thing about PEMP therapy is it passes straight through the body. So it often gets confused because we're talking about PEMF, and EMF has quite a negative connotation.
SPEAKER_04:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:So it's one of the first things that people sort of say to us, oh, well, I've heard EMF. Electromagnetic fields are bad. They are bad at high frequency, super, super high frequency. So let me give you an example of a pemph mat would generally run between one and 30 hertz or one and a hundred hertz, is the kind of general range which most pemph mats run in. The Earth's natural magnetic field runs on a frequency of uh 7.8, which is the Schumann resonance. So if you think one to 30 hertz, the eight hertz is kind of in the middle there, and it's a very it's seen as a very natural frequency.
SPEAKER_04:That is the Earth's frequency, around 7.88, you said, right? Exactly that.
SPEAKER_01:So if you're grounding, that's what frequency you're being.
SPEAKER_04:Okay, so that's the frequency when we have our bare feet and we're standing in the grass.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, exactly that.
SPEAKER_04:Right. And then a mat though has this range between one and a hundred. Well, I mean, I I know there's different um ranges, but that's that's what you're referring to right now.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. When we talk about EMFs and we talk about super high frequency, we're talking about our mobile phones, 5G. So we've just you know, we've just driven into the world of 5G, so we can get that YouTube video super quick now, which is great. But 5G is is equivalent to 5 gigahertz, which I think is either 60 million or 6 million hertz. So you think of eight, 7.8 hertz compared to 6 million, 60 million hertz. These frequencies are very different, they're not natural, and they're they're known as non-ionizing, so they uh are absorbed by the body. So low frequencies pass through the body, high frequencies, super high frequencies are absorbed by the body. And there's a good um note that a lot of people uh can kind of relate to is when you put your phone up against the ear and you talk for an hour and you're speaking to someone, when you move your phone away, it's very hot. And that's And red. And red. Yes. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And that is mainly caused by the high frequencies. So it's almost like holding a microwave against your head for you know an hour, which is a good thing.
SPEAKER_04:I did read that we should never hold the phone to our ear, we should be using speakerphone. Yeah. Or at least our early earbuds are okay.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, a lot of people are now. But then people think the the alternative could be a Bluetooth headset or something like that. Bluetooth also runs very, very high frequencies. So again, it's something that we tend to avoid if we want to, if we want to be exposing ourselves to more natural frequencies.
SPEAKER_04:Okay, so we have aligned with there's the Earth's magnetic field. This is a natural thing that's happening, why we feel good when we put our feet bare feet on the ground or we're out in nature. And then the pemp mats can mimic that and also dial up and dial down to again mimic natural uh states in our body. Like you said, morning, evening, nighttime.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_04:Am I tracking?
SPEAKER_01:Yes. So we're talking about a circadian rhythm here, and that's something that a lot of people forget to prioritize in their health.
SPEAKER_04:And it's getting a lot of PR right now, the circadian rhythm. We had a nutritionist on that talked about, you know, the two messages that your body really gets is, you know, sunlight, uh, or you know, morning light, night, night time, uh, and food. So she was talking about waking and sleeping at the same time and eating meals at the same time and the benefits of that. So talk to us a little bit more about that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, exactly that. So circadian rhythm is so important. And, you know, at the end of the day, if because we all go back to the principles of we want to sleep better. We want to make sure we're alert in the morning, we want to have energy throughout the day, and then we want to recharge throughout the night. If we're struggling to do that with our current routines, this is where tech like this comes in to assist, and it's complementary. So we always say that um, you know, these technologies, pemp technology, red light technology, it's all complementary to what you're doing. So it's all part of the toolbox. So it's not the silver bullet. Um, we still encourage that you should be eating correctly, you know, making sure that you've got a good balanced diet, whatever, whatever that may be. Um, and you're you're prioritizing your circadian rhythm. So, in terms of the pemp technology, how that helps is we're running the beta frequencies in the morning. So, you know, the the device that I designed specifically, we took a lot of the confusion out of pemp because people want to know a certain frequency for a certain condition. That's another question we get often, we are asked quite a lot is right, I've got pemp device.
SPEAKER_04:I asked you that. Yeah. I'm like, I have joint pain. And I'll you know, through menopause, is that this is a normal symptom. I'm like, Andy, I've got I've got uh some tendinopathy in my shoulder and I've got some joint pain in my knee. Like, what do I do?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, exactly that. So a lot of devices you can choose the frequency. So you can choose between one and a hundred hertz, and and you have that option on our accelerate device, but we we want to take the confusion out because there are studies that show good results, say for your for your knee, and you want to rebuild cartilage in your knee, and they used 25 hertz for a certain amount of time, they used it a certain amount of times a day, and there was a positive result. So, what people then assume is they need to replicate that study, they need to do the exact same thing, but it's not necessarily the case. So, as long as you are applying penths to that area, you're going to increase the circulation, you're gonna reduce the inflammation in that area, and you're gonna create an environment to heal. So you don't necessarily have to replicate that study. You can just do it. My preference is to prioritize your circating rhythm again. So you apply penth, but you do it at the right frequency at the right time of day. Because you don't want to be going to bed putting a pemph device on on a higher frequency, because that may even have the reverse effect on your sleep.
SPEAKER_04:So And you have um a meditation setting as well. And I'm I've been petrified to recall the meditation setting, you know, uh, because I was like you say that it can put it can really I mean for anybody who does meditate, it can put you into a much higher state. What brain state is that? It's uh That's the theta. That's the theta state. Uh I don't know, maybe I'll give it a go now that I'm I'm adding actually adding meditation into my routine. So can I can I just go back a bit? Because I I really want you to talk to me like I'm a three-year-old on this. So we've set up that there's these magnetic fields that, you know, in nature, in earth, but they're around our body. Um now what do they do? What are now how are they impacting how what are they doing inside of our body?
SPEAKER_01:Inside the body. So what we can actually show people is we can show them on a dark field microscope. So I bought one because I I love toys and tech, and you know, and and obviously we need to prove that our device is doing what it says on the tin. And what you can show with a pemph device, especially a low intensity, because low intensity devices you can't necessarily feel. So it's a very passive therapy, which means you can sit on a device, you can turn it on, and it feels like nothing's happening. Some people quite sensitive to them, making them feel the frequencies, but others most people just don't feel it. So you kind of want to know what's happening. You take a fingerprint before using PMF, you put it onto a dark-filled scope, and you can see the blood cells. And what you tend to see with chronically ill people or people that are tired one day or or or sick in some way or just not regulating their body properly is they get quite sticky blood. And it's called the Rouleau effect. So you'll see the it to give you a visualization, it looks like coins stacked together.
SPEAKER_04:I think we have an example of it. We have an image of it.
SPEAKER_01:There we go.
SPEAKER_04:So yeah, so for anybody who is only listening to this, um it looks like you know when you have magnets on a and then all of a sudden the magnets join up together and create this connection. That's what these blood cells look like. And yeah, like you said, sticky, sticky.
SPEAKER_01:Sticky, yeah, sticky. So you got the magnets at school, you have the north and south, and they and you put them all around the right way. They all stick together.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And it's that sort of same effect. So what then happens then if you apply the PMF to the uh to the body, it it's why we always say it works on a cellular level, because it rebalances and recharges the cells. What that means is you get the same amount of positive and negative electrons across the cell rather than all on one side or an unbalanced cell. What that then does is if you can imagine if you start twisting those bar magnets around the other way, they repel each other. So the the cells start to naturally repel each other. And I think you've got an image of um So we have an after picture.
SPEAKER_04:So this is before pemp therapy. We have the sticky blood, and this is after. So after what? Like was this 10 minutes of pemp?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so this was 10 minutes on the accelerate mat. So this was after 10 minutes of using pemph, and that's the effect that you have on the blood. So the blood cells suddenly then are a lot more separated and they can crap travel around the body a lot easier. So this is a good thing. Yes. Because that was gonna be my question.
SPEAKER_04:Why should I, why is sticky blood blad? Why is this better? But what you can see, these look more like relaxed and well, I don't know, they just look happier, actually. For anybody again who's listening, everything has all the cells have kind of loosened up.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly. And their charge has changed. So even on a dark food microscope, you can see live blood analysis too. So I might even be able to get some of those for you too, which are the videos that show how the blood moves when it's in those different states. So when they're all stacked together, moving around slowly, it's like they're really sluggish, they're really trying to get past each other. There's there's not a lot going on. You get into this state and the cells are recharged, they're separated, they're rebelling each other, and they you can almost see them like bouncing around the screen.
SPEAKER_04:What I'm hearing you say is that our cells have like an electrical charge in them. And I guess when when they're damaged or when they're inflamed, when you're when you're not well or when you're fatigued, they they can't function properly. And when they're sticky, they can't function. They're not optimized, they can't flow through your body as well. They can't um, you know, again, mostly when you're unwell, all your cells will go to that area to try to make it better, but they they can't function as well. So does the pulsed electromagnetic field when you sit on the mat or when you have the device, does it recharge the cell? Is that what it does? Is it kind of like recharging your batteries? It recharges the bigger bigger.
SPEAKER_01:There's a few things. And you know, just just looking at these images, the the the first thing is oxygen distribution, because if you've got a bigger surface area now on each cell, you're able to carry more oxygen around the body. So that's one of the biggest things. You know, um lack of oxygen in the body is is a lot of the cause for illness. Um, but also it's about recharging those cells, like you said. So a good anecdote that I like to tell people is that our mobile phones now have those wireless chargers. So, and that's induction. You don't have to plug it in anymore. You know, you put it on one of those pads, and there's an energy exchange between that charger and the battery within the cell. That's very similar with our bodies, and that's what's happening with PEMF. You know, we don't have to plug ourselves in. We're laying on a mat. We've got an energy exchange within our body. And what it's doing is it's charging the ATP in the body. So I love this picture, by the way.
SPEAKER_04:I'm totally that is a great analogy of the phone resting on the charger and then us resting on the mat. Okay, this is great. I'm totally tracking. Okay, ATP. Yes, what is it? Why is this good? Why do we need it?
SPEAKER_01:So adrenosine phi phosphate, I really struggle to say that, but ATP is is uh you know another thing that people are kind of waking up to now. And ATP is the is the currency exchange within the body. So that is our internal batteries.
SPEAKER_04:So in ATP in a cell?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so in inside your cells, you've got your mitochondria. Your mitochondria are your batteries, you know, so you you may have multiple of those little body batteries in each cell. So, you know, we talk about billions of cells, we talk about billions of these, you know, tiny little body batteries. The only thing that can get in there and recharge it, you know, a lot of the time is either sleep, rest, you know, getting your circadian rhythm. But PMF is one of those things that is able to do it as well as red light. Red light's really good for also charging that ATP, but also not only charging the ATP, because you don't want to just charge with batteries and have recharged batteries, you need to use that too. So something you can see on the cell surface if you get an even more expensive microscope, is you can see the cell membranes and the cell channels. And pemph helps to open those out. So what that does is it allows nutrients into those cells and it allows waste materials out of the cells. So it's also making those cells more effectively used within the body as well as helping them charge.
SPEAKER_04:So it's kind of good in, but also gets waste out of the cells.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly. So detoxing. First few times we that people use PMF, we always say to them, drink lots of water that day, because a lot of the time your body has a natural detox. So the effects of PMF is is another thing that they tend to last on average around eight hours. Like a charge.
SPEAKER_04:If you're on a mat and you get charged, like your phone, it lasts about eight hours. And if you're going out at night or if you have, you know, something that you need to do, can you can you kind of lie on a mat and get a little bit of a charge before you go out? Am I simplifying it too much?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, no, no, exactly. And and actually, you know, normally when when you get to the evening, we would say use an evening setting, a lower frequency, ones in the alpha range or the theta range, the meditative range, because that's going to help you prepare for sleep. But like you say, if if you if you're going out clubbing that night or something, or you've got, you know, you've got a late night uh podcast or something, then by all means you can put it back on to like a higher frequency to kind of give you that little bit of a kick without having to kind of reach for coffee or caffeine.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. And I like you can do this with your clothes on as well. It goes through clothes.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Um and is it similar? Like, is there anything you can do that naturally recharges it? Like, does a, if you go out for a 20-minute run, does that naturally charge it, charge your ATP or or or make your blood less, your cells less sticky as well? Are there natural ways to do it?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, exactly. So, you know, we we say, we say natural, but the the effects of PMF and red light are natural. I'll come to that. Um, but there are other ways to have the same effects on your blood. If if at four o'clock that day I got up out of my desk and went for a 20-minute walk or 20-minute run, you would see a similar effect in your blood start to separate because you you're giving it what it needs, you know.
SPEAKER_04:Um we know the earth has a magnetic field and we know being outside. So we know there is some natural benefits to it.
SPEAKER_01:Gary Brecker talks about magnetism, light, and oxygen as these three kind of pillars of health. And you don't have to buy into this tech, you don't have to have this tech if we were living ancestrally. So, you know, if we were back outside living the way we should live, feet on the grass all the time, eating right, eating clean, um, you know, getting our sunlight as and when. And, you know, when the sun goes down, it gets dark. That's what's supposed to happen. Um, but it doesn't happen in our homes. What we're trying to do here is bring tech in to assist, almost bring in the ass. ancestral lifestyle back to the body. So, you know, we apply red light first thing in the morning or we do it, you know. My general rule is never to use red light therapy when the sun's gone down. Because again, you're you're kind of messing up your your circadian rhythm.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Pemph you can use anytime and you can use it throughout the night because as long as you've got the right frequency running, you're just applying a magnetic field and it's going to help.
SPEAKER_04:So this is tech for good.
SPEAKER_01:Yes. It's tech for good.
SPEAKER_04:So you kindly have let me um try it. And we have an example of the mat here. This is uh this is like a travel mat. I guess like you could put it in a chair. You could still lie on it. I I promised myself that I would start a new habit every quarter this year. And so the first quarter was sleep and talk about circadian rhythm. So going to bed and waking up at the same time. And I have to be honest for anybody who's trying to do this, it did take me three months. Like it was like probably just before three months where I was finally waking up without an alarm. And then I was like, well now what am I going to do with all this extra time I have in the morning? So I've been trying the mat and now I sit on the mat and we're going to get to red light in a minute. But I'll also, my new habit for this quarter is so I'm now adding meditation into my morning routine. So I sit on the mat and then I do have the red light and then I'm I have a guided meditation happening. So you can I'm stacking I'm stacking my therapies. But Andy, I want to understand how can how can PENF be a game changer for women during the menopause transition? So we're going to get to the money questions now. So flash quiz you know I'm going to give you a symptom and you tell me how PENF can support women. I'm going to ask about bone health because this to me is like a quiet crisis in in menopause. And we all know that as estrogen drops, bone loss can increase drastically for women. And I'm asking you about this because there is extensive research and clinical trials of um the positive impact of PEMP in not only you know maintaining healthy bones, but in bone regeneration. Because I think there's a lot of the medication women get for osteoporosis slows down bone loss but it actually doesn't restore bone density but there is some there are some studies showing that pemph can help with this.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So bone health go.
SPEAKER_01:Okay so bone health is our you know an osteoporosis is probably you know seven out of ten reason why customers come to us um and it always has been for pemp because say NASA kind of started the the studies looking at bone health and they found that pemph was the solution. One of the reasons being is that it can pass through the body so it goes through bones and it can help and treat bones. The FDA regulated it for non-union fractures. So a non-union fracture for anybody doesn't know is a bone that breaks and it doesn't heal or it doesn't heal in the expected timeframe. You then apply PENF to it and you apply it either localized or as a full body and suddenly that bone will heal. And that all comes down to um you know a number of different factors. So again it's it's increasing circulation in the area it's helping reduce the inflammation and it helps the actual bones regenerate. So penth is one of them things that can actually like you say help with regeneration of bone and things like cartilage. Cartilage is another one that happens when you get uh arthritis you know lack of lack of cartilage regrowth and pemp can of can help with that. So what we're doing again is is it's create an environment in that body to heal. So your body's doing the work it's it's it's what I always say to people it's not actually the pemp device that's fixing you it's your body but you're able to give it the tools it needs to to create that fixing. And you know when NASA's doing studies on osteoporosis and bone health because of you know astronauts you know these these astrals that have just come down from space recently you know they were up there for way longer than than they were supposed to be and you know I hope they're not listening but they look like 10 years older than when they first went up there you know you can see it they they have aged dramatically because of the fact that they've been away from that magnetic field. And bone health is a big one. And like you say because of postmenopausal women are a lot more susceptible to osteoporosis it's one that we you know the door comes knocking quite a lot for and I want to make it kind of clear especially for people that come to osteoporosteoporosis is that it's not an overnight fix. You know if you want to restore bone it's going to take some commitment you know and obviously it's a complementary passive therapy as I've mentioned before. So there's no risks involved with PMF therapy. So it kind of doesn't rule out anybody other than pacemakers, which we can come on to. But there's kind of no reason not to implement it into your daily routine. That's that's what I say to people you know if you are on medication for osteoporosis, if you've started a new diet which is going to you know prioritize your health your bone health there's no reason why you shouldn't then put in a PENF device which is going to help with the absorption of minerals and it's going to help over time with bone health. There was a really good study that they did with PENF and postmenopausal women for bone health and they actually showed some regenerative measures and they did that through I think it's called a DEXA scan. So they actually look at the um the thickness of the bone so they can actually you know see that on a scan and they see in that over time and when I say time as I kinda mentioned you know you want to be using a pemp device for one year, two years three years. You know this is a a long time commitment but it's 20 minutes a day or as you've been saying you've been sleeping on the mat and things like that. So you can as long as you've got a device that fits into your routine then you know that's that's what you need.
SPEAKER_04:And it sounds like you know one it you can't recover a lot of bone um bone health once it's gone it is really difficult and would take a long time. But so it sounds like this would be really helpful more from a preventative perspective. We talk about you know bone health even related like when we talk about strength training even we say if you can start younger and build up your bone health muscle mass etc then it'll set you up to have a more positive menopause experience. Okay what about sleep?
SPEAKER_01:Pemp therapy particularly is very good for sleep um because as I say as long as you've got it on the right frequency you can run it in the delta frequencies which is delta frequency is your deep sleep. So if you've got a tracker if you've got a I can see you've got the ring on yes it's my aura ring yeah so if you've got sleep trackers that sort of thing one of the first things we get people to report back to us is sleep because as I say PMF therapy is something that kind of if it's especially if it's a chronic illness it's going to take about a month before you're going to notice a difference. Sleep is immediate. So if you've had a pem session that day we tend to say to people give me a text tell me how you feel tomorrow and they'll say oh you know I slept like I've never slept before um because you're regulating your body into the right frequencies.
SPEAKER_04:What about anxiety? Can the pem can pem help with anxiety? You know we we tend to with the hormonal changes get a bit more anxious which can affect women at work even and affect their confidence sometimes um you know you might be a bit more reactive at home or with you know the people closest to you yeah so that's where it's going to support your endocrine system.
SPEAKER_01:So really again it kind of comes back to what we're saying is that if you've got if you've had a great night's sleep that night, you're gonna wake up a lot less anxious. You're gonna wake you're gonna be a lot more rested you're gonna be able to tackle that day and you know things like anxiety put in another you know term that's been coined now from from drinking alcohol and the next day you you have anxiety and again that kind of anxiety anxiety okay so this this is where you know you've drank alcohol the day before and you have a heightened state of anxiety and people are calling it anxiety. Can you remember that? Yeah it's it's your you know it's where you've slept so badly because as uh and and that's one thing you know I had a whoop band I don't wear it anymore at the moment because of the Bluetooth and it's a different story but I really it what they give you is the information and I saw through my whoop band what alcohol did to my sleep and when you wake up and your body batteries on like 20% and you've got to go through the whole day that's when anxiety can really peak. So again it's all about making sure you're giving your body the right environment you're giving it sleep you're giving it the right frequencies.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah I feel like what you're saying here basically is so I I've heard PMF I've heard pemp therapy can be referred to as wind in trees therapy because you don't feel it you know how can you track its effects we've seen the blood but it does profoundly impact us on a on a cellular level and what I'm you know I love energy I'm always about the energy and I think people can relate to energy right when your energy's down like low, high energy et cetera but I think what we're talking about here is pemp therapy on a mat or the device, it's almost like it's not a two for one, a three for one I don't, it's like a six for one because you know sometimes you have a heart issue you'll go to the heart doctor or the, you know, then you have anxiety and then you're gonna go to the psychiatrist and then you're you've got this issue you're gonna go somewhere else. It seems that as a complementary therapy you know lying on the mat or having the device is treating the whole body it's more of a holistic approach. Like you said the it it it recharges your cells gives them a bit of a clean so that your body can operate at its best. And when it's operating at its best you will sleep better you will have less anxiety it will the cells can travel to the parts of the body that need attention joint pain illness brain function so that you can operate at a hundred percent yeah and that's it.
SPEAKER_01:So increasing the circulation to the brain is a a big one when it comes to brain fog, brain function, that sort of thing. So if you can increase the circulation throughout the whole body so one of my main points that I always point people down if they're looking for a PMF device is start with a full body system because there are a lot of localized devices. Our device can be used as a localized device but you can plug a full body mat into it. And I recommend people always as a standard goes for the full body option because of the effects it's going to have on the whole body and not just trying to treat your knee arthritis if that makes sense because you're gonna get some benefits there but why not apply it to the whole body but it might be a good point to also talk about the different types of intensity with PMF devices because we've mentioned that you don't feel PMF and someone might be listening to this going like well I went to my clinic and they put me on a PEMP device and it kicked me off the seat. So there's two different categories of PMF device and there's low intensity or low to medium intensity which we would categorize our device and that's the one which is very passive therapy that happens kind of in the background. We've measured our magnetic field from our device and it still goes out about two meters. So you still get a good magnetic field although you can't feel it. High intensity devices um we're talking about um so you you measure magnetic field of gauss and if you are looking at a device that's over 4000 gauss this is classed as a high intensity device and this is where it actually feels the the best way I can describe it is those machines that used to go onto your your abs to tone your abs and they actually do use high intensity for toning like butts and abs and things it's another it's another application. So you kind of it gives you that crunch every time it goes off it kind of it responds with the muscles and it and it you can feel it. It's almost like someone kicking you in in a kind of pleasant way it's it's it's like a massage. So you've got these high intensity devices and you tend to find them more at professional settings and in sports centers where you're gonna be utilizing the PMF device less frequently so if you only have access to a pemp device maybe once a week then you probably want to go for a higher intensity device because that's going to give you kind of more of that energy in a shorter space of time and like a TENS machine. So probably a lot of people that have been through pregnancy will will have been exposed to a TENS machine at some point and it's it's almost like that feeling like a tingly kind of pulsating feeling. And so those are your kind of differences between your high intensity and low intensity and and where you kind of feel the different therapies if that makes sense.
SPEAKER_04:And this is great because if anybody wanted to add pemp therapy into their wellness routine because I think there's a lot of women out there who, especially during perimenopause, they just know they're off. They know they're not operating at a hundred percent that you know they'll have a good day but they'll have a bad day and and usually that's the line is like I just don't feel like myself. And it sounds like this could be an interesting you know uh therapy to add into their wellness routine to help recharge their batteries.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, exactly. And when people are looking for a pemp device you tend to get the higher intensity device more expensive that it's be it's just because the way to build them the more copper the more energy it needs they tend to be much more expensive devices. So when people are buying wellness tech and if they've got the money to spend they kind of just go for the most expensive system. But when it comes to PMF you don't really need those high intensities at home as frequently if you have if you're going to buy a device to use at home and you're gonna use it on a more frequent basis, you only really need to use a low intensity and a full body system. That's what I would say. So find a good PMF device that gives you um low to medium intensities that you can use on a daily basis and you don't necessarily have to spend 30, 40,000 pounds on one of these super high kind of intensity devices. The message here is that not to just think that we have to go for the most expensive tech to get the best tech. When it comes to PMF you kind of want to look at your low versus your high the market is getting a little bit saturated at the moment because like I say Gary Brecker started talking about PEMP so it's becoming more of a it's in the highest now you know red light is is obviously more well known pemp is very close behind now. And what we're seeing is the market is getting a little bit flooded by these cheap multi-therapy multi-produced systems that aren't great. And what they have is they're giving pemphers so with a good pemp device if people are looking for devices you want to find one with multiple coils in it. So the reason I say that is the the further you move away from a coil in a mat, the more magnetic field you lose. So you want to find a device that has multiple coils spread out across the entire mat. So you're getting a good coverage of the pemph what a lot of these cheaper products are doing now that include pemp is they're putting one or two coils or four sometimes five, six and they would just stick them in one area of the mat and they say right we've got PENF now. So you know and they produce uh they they advertise all the same benefits of pemph on their um you know on their websites and you're not really getting the full picture you know you're not really getting the full treatment you want to have a good spread of a magnetic field you know you don't want to just have one coil in those systems. If you're looking for devices and they offer multiple different modalities at the moment I haven't really seen any good systems on the market that do that my advice is to look for a pem only device and a red light only device you know because you know that that company specialized in red light or they specialized in pemp.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah so do your research look into it but I like your tip around looking for um the most amount of copper wiring throughout throughout the mat. I also like the device because you know listen for some most women listening I mean even to find 10 minutes for a sheet mask is asking too much sometimes. So I like the controller because you can just put that on and go about your day. I think I had it on my shoulder the other day and then I just put my coat on over top and I went to the grocery store. So when you can build it into your day then it's then it's also really helpful. I want to move on to red light therapy. It's having a moment in wellness as well and it's also getting attention for menopause management. So everybody listening we will have known red light therapy for all these red light masks. I mean I think it was on everybody's Christmas list a few years ago I know it was on on mine but now it's being talked about in terms of menopause. And I think you know this is more than just beauty this is biology now, you know so like buckle up everybody and you know listen listen up because red light therapy is not just about collagen production. It has so many other benefits. So can you talk us talk us through you know red light therapy and and how it works?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah so the first thing that people think when you when you talk about red light is it's gonna make my skin great you know it's gonna increase collagen it's gonna increase the elastic and less lines of wrinkles or that sort of thing which which it does and it does it you know to a good degree because and the reason it does that and the sun has the opposite effect is because red light therapy is taking the wavelengths that are good for those things and you remove the UVA and UVB from those wavelengths and the UVA and UVB are the ones that cause the the damage of the aging um they also get a negative connotation but a good level of UAV and UAV UAB during the day is still it's still good. You know it's still but the problem is when people sit and out sit out on it all day every day that's when that's when the problems become so but what we're finding now obviously where these devices have started to flood the mainstream in these masks and all these sorts of things is that people are now seeing benefits through other factors because you've got red light and there's also near infrared and the differences between those because most red light devices kind of just focus on the red light and and this again when you're looking for a red light device you want to look at the wavelengths and what wavelengths they offer. They only offer wavelengths in the red light that's going to give you the good skin complexion the collagen all that sort of thing. Near infrared is a deep bit deeper penetration and this is where we're talking about with PENF where it travels through the body near infrared has the ability to penetrate through the skin so you get a deeper level and the near infrared have been researched more for recovery, ATP, these sorts of things so now the red light devices are evolving slightly and they're starting to include red light and near infrared into their LEDs so that you get the benefits of those. You'll also get blue light. So again where people have started to think blue light's bad blue light's not bad but as long as you're applying it at the right time of day. So our systems include both red, near infrared and blue light.
SPEAKER_04:So you get a full light spectrum and the and the benefit of red light near infrared and blue light well near infrared I guess again it is am I right to um believe that it also is creating environment in your body for um collagen production for it's just again creating uh an environment for your body to do what it knows how to do.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah it's just helping the body to produce what it needs to and you know same sort of thing again if we can if we can expose ourselves to these lights at the right time of day then when we get into the evening and hopefully all the lights on your house are off and all that sort of thing then you're gonna start producing that melatonin you're gonna start producing um collagen in the morning and you know when you're applying these therapies at the right time. So it's it's all about creating that environment in the body to heal, to give it the tools it needs to do all these different things and to to perform throughout the day. So if you can increase the collagen you're gonna get better skin elasticity you're gonna get less lines wrinkles and you're gonna get a different colour complexion but just not not not the tan. That makes sense.
SPEAKER_04:You you again have kindly sent me like you said this what do you call this package?
SPEAKER_01:The office bar hack this is an office bar hack package yep.
SPEAKER_04:So there is uh a little mini red light like a face size one that you're letting me try. My girlfriends were very excited when I told them that I have a medical grade red light red light at my home. They all want to come over every morning and have a blast on it. But again, this is something that's been researched for decades. This isn't new um you know there's thousands of peer-reviewed studies on it for all for so many different health applications with red light therapy. So we've talked about collagen um and skin health like you said I think it also helps with mood and brain function as well.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah again if you can if you can navigate your code in rhythm you're gonna you're gonna be a lot more in the right mood the right brain function throughout the day.
SPEAKER_04:And it and like you said it's part of your waking up in the morning it does help with energy.
SPEAKER_01:Getting a routine in as well you know if if we wake up and we're tired and we're groggy we it's gonna set us off on a bad step that day. So putting those two therapies together again it's very much like going outside in the morning exposing yourself to morning light exposing yourself to the to the the ground the earth's natural magnetic field it's gonna help with the cells it's gonna it's gonna do everything it needs to do to just regulate your system and and complement everything else you're doing if that makes sense.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah and I think you know some people listening might go well then why don't I just go outside for 10 minutes but it just doesn't happen.
SPEAKER_00:We're just not doing it.
SPEAKER_04:I mean we don't all live near the ocean or you know I I don't know I I walk outside and there's like more buildings in front of me you know or I go out in my garden and I there's a back wall and somebody else's garden on the other side it doesn't so you know a lot of these therapies are created so that we can like I think you said at the beginning of the program is create these environments that you can do this in 10 minutes or 20 minutes just as well to suit our different lifestyles or the different ways that we're we're living right now.
SPEAKER_01:You know, I I live in the more of the countryside the Garden of England they call it Ken and I have the ability if I wanted to to get out in the morning and go and do that grounding and go and see the morning light. But I live in the UK it's just you know we're just coming into spring which is great. We're just starting to feel the warmth and the all this sort of thing but you know in minus two degrees Celsius I'm just not going to get out roll out of bed. It's it's enough it's hard enough to get out of bed let alone go and stand in the garden with me with no shoes on.
SPEAKER_04:Yes, yes. And when it's cold, yeah exactly and your bare feet and go outside and look at the look at the horizon and look at the sun at a certain time of day. And like I was saying I think for most women even they're like they just don't have time. I had one of those um red light masks which I asked for for Christmas a few years ago and I think a lot of people listening will go, okay, how is this different than some of those, you know, handheld lasers or the red light masks that are on the market. They go for a range of prices as well. This is obviously this desktop version and the what what I understand is the more lights the better and wavelengths are important. So like what what should women be looking for in red light therapy from um well I guess again for more than just a face mask if they're looking for all these other benefits as well in terms of mood and um sleep quality and and whatnot.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, because that's half the problem you know we know the benefits of pemp we know the benefits of red light but how do we find one that's actually going to do what it says it's gonna do and and how do we navigate that minefield because it is a minefield especially in the red light market because it's very saturated now. And breaking it down to the kind of easiest ways I can explain and the kind of key things to look for um one of the things the application um so what are you trying to achieve are you trying to achieve overall body wellness do you just want to have a healthy looking glow on your face do you just want to reduce the the wrinkles on your eyes that sort of thing so the size of the device you know size matters in this case so the size of the device is size matters matters in this case yes you're right which you know the common common one so the the easiest way to explain this is what you're trying to treat, you need to get a device the same size. So there is a lot of kind of trickery going on in the market with people having a very small panel you know the this is our desktop version and we only advertise this for using on your face. You can use it on other areas of your body obviously you can but you can only treat the size of the device. So some people will call this a half body device this size panel and what they tell you to do is stand further back from it and you'll get a red glow over half your body. It doesn't work like that. The the main intensity of these red lights is is within the same size of the product. So and the further you move away the weaker it becomes so if you're buying a device that's quite small and it's called a half body or even some of these you know some of some of these uh companies have done like um a one meter um panel and they call it a full body again it's not the best place to get the treatment is within about six inches to about 18 inches maximum from the device. So if you think you've got to be relatively close to the device to get the best the best benefit then you want something that's going to treat you know so if you want a full body treatment you have to go for a full body treatment device and look at the size of the product make sure it covers your entire body or most of it.
SPEAKER_04:And I think this is interesting because this isn't just about glow it's about energy it's about healing from the inside out while most people listening will be familiar with the masks you know we're also talking about here like you said full body half body so that our body can heal from the inside or the our body can um we can create an environment for our body to do what it does best. So anybody who is suffering from you know you know other perimenopause or menopausal symptoms you might want to look at something full body if you are looking usually in perimenopause most of the women see the aesthetic things change first. That was the why I went to a doctor first I was like how can I stop my face from melting so that's what we see first. And I guess it's also different the mass that the things that sit on your skin versus the desktop which like you said you say six to 18. So I guess the power of something that's sitting on your skin isn't as strong as what a desktop may have.
SPEAKER_01:So the different applications as well so if you have a if you have a desk I'm sorry if you have a mask a red light mask and you think that you're now getting red light therapy you're probably not the ones that touch your skin have to be very low level and the reason being is because red light therapy can cause it can create high EMS any any kind of electromagnetic fields. Yeah your electromagnetic fields which are your high end ones which you're not the best ones to have yeah red light therapy can create that in if it's close to the skin. So to get rid of that risk um the masks have to be Quite low power. And the low power ones will be good for skin, but not necessarily have the deep penetration that you need for near infrared and those sorts of things. So you might get slightly better complexion, but you're not going to get the real true benefits that you would with a higher intensity red light.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. And I think again, what I want everybody listening to know is that this is, you know, what we're talking to Andy about today is deeper healing. Um and I just keep saying it over and over again, is how red light therapy and pemp therapy helps you create an environment for your body to do what it does best. And what that means is it creates an environment where your cells, you know, less sticky cells, which means they can perform better in your body and help you heal, whether it's better brain function or it's chronic illness. This is what we're talking talking about today, not just the aesthetic benefits of a red light mask.
SPEAKER_01:And that's it. Because, you know, and it it's it's me trying to educate people on the fact that there's so much more to these red lights than just a bit of, you know, bit of skin health.
SPEAKER_04:Which is why I wanted you here today, because I think we all know about red light therapy, but the idea of using it as a tool to help us during the menopause transition. And and what I love about it, and the idea about it was listen, we met at a wellness summit, but I reached out to you to be on the show because you were also featured in a new documentary that's coming out called She Healed from Conception to Postmenopause, which is uh supposed to be an amazing documentary on women's health, which I think I think it features or it breaks or whatever this summer. Summer.
SPEAKER_01:They're planning on it this summer, but I think it'll probably be pushed back a bit.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. So okay, uh, as these things are. But you were featured as a wellness pioneer. And that's that's when I reached out to you because, you know, I'm looking at ways and I want to educate women and help share information on ways that they can, you know, be proactive in their overall well-being so they can have a more positive menopause experience. And this goes beyond just a, you know, a red light on your mask and a few wrinkles. And that's why I thought this was interesting. I mean, what was that experience like on She Healed? What were you talking about there?
SPEAKER_01:Yes. I mean, one of the reasons why we're invited on there was because of our Accelerate, our kind of signature PEMF device. And one of the unique features of that is that it's completely battery operated. And like you mentioned, you can kind of put it on your shoulder and you can you can use it on the go and go about your everyday life. Um, the good thing about our device is that you can put it around the reproductive organs, all that sort of thing. So some people buy our device for menstrual cycle, for all these different things, for pain, dysmenorrhea, and you know, so we we we get a lot of customers in that field, um, and particularly our product products, because it's very well applicable to that area and it's easier to apply it and just to go about your everyday life.
SPEAKER_04:Now, Andy, the final question we ask all of our guests. First of all, I do want to highlight that you are the first man to be featured on Menopausitive.
SPEAKER_01:I know, which you told me just before we came on this, so no pressure or anything.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, amazing, amazing. Um, we're gonna have to take a picture of this to mark the moment. Anyway, Andy, the final question we ask all of our guests. Knowing what we know now about pemph and red light therapy, as it relates to the menopause transition, what would you tell our 35-year-old listener?
SPEAKER_01:So one of the biggest feedback we get a lot is I wish I'd found this earlier. And it's it's a refreshing but also kind of disappointing bit of feedback that we get because you know, people always leave it too late. I was the same. I had a health condition that you mentioned on the intro. And I found PEMF because of that health. I was in a healing crisis, I was taking all these different antibiotics, nothing was working. I was just going down and down and down and down until I found PENF, which just gave me that little bit extra I needed with everything else to get me back into a healing state. And to the 35-year-olds, it's just don't leave it too late to do these things.
SPEAKER_04:It's a conversation we have a lot on this sofa because a lot of women wait until they feel awful before they even go speak to a doctor about menopause. So this is another tool they can use as part of prevention or preparing their body for a more positive experience. What would you tell our 44, 45-year-old listener?
SPEAKER_01:45-year-old listeners, you know, if you are in the perimenopause and you are in menopause stage by now, then utilize this tech. This is your time. If you haven't used it as preventative maintenance, this is your time now to look at this sort of technology and start integrating it into your routine.
SPEAKER_04:So And there's so many different symptoms for um perimenopause and menopause that what I like about the pemph and red light is that it again prepares, like puts your body in a state to deal with all of it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, that's it. So we're not taking a tablet specific for one symptom.
SPEAKER_04:For one symptom, exactly. But it probably works nicely alongside a number of other things. And what would you tell our 55-year-old listener?
SPEAKER_01:It's never too late to integrate this tech. You know, we have 90-year-olds contacting us and saying, you know, we've we've got all these problems. And the first thing is, you know, don't give up. It's not, you know, the medical industry seems to give up on people a lot of the time. It's just that's what happens when you get old. I hate that thing. You know, I hate when people say that. It's not, you don't have to let that happen when you get old, you know.
SPEAKER_04:Now, Andy, if people were interested in learning more about this, how could they find you?
SPEAKER_01:Uh, me specifically, I'm probably more active on Instagram. It's Andy Smith underscore PEMF. Um, the company that that I'm running is called Numed, and that is the one that specializes in PEMF devices and education around PMF devices. And Celerate is the brand that we've launched, which has our own PMF and Red Light devices. So if you're looking to buy a tech, then Celerate is probably where you want to start.
SPEAKER_04:We're going to put all of this in the show notes so people can find you. But thank you so much for sharing this with us so we can understand all these different ways that we can, you know, stimulate our body's own natural healing. Thank you for being here.
SPEAKER_00:Thanks for having me.
SPEAKER_04:You may have noticed more and more so-called new therapies appearing in well-being spaces, infrared saunas, cold immersion, pemph, red light therapy. Even acupuncture and breathwork have gone mainstream and for good reason. But here's the thing: many of these quote-unquote new practices aren't new at all. PENF has been used therapeutically since the Second World War. Long before that, ancient Eastern medicine used magnets on acupuncture points to help move energy. Red light therapy discovered in the 60s and since then studied for everything from cellular repair to its potential medicinal use in space travel. So while the packaging may be modern, the roots run deep. Pemp therapy and red light therapy, these aren't magic pills. They're complementary therapies, science-backed, subtle, but so powerful, used by high performance athletes, functional doctors, and increasingly discerning women like you and me who want to feel grounded, focused, and energized. Because remember, this chapter, it's not about managing decline, it's about regenerating powerfully, gracefully, and beautifully. See you next time. Thank you so much. There's so much information there. I mean, I literally, it took me days, you know, to go through it. Um I bake for all of my guests, and I have a new recipe for you today. These are mocha power bars. So there's a little bit of coffee in it, some dark chocolate, coconut, oats, gluten-free oats, maple syrup, some almond butter. Um, would you like to give them a try?
SPEAKER_01:Of course.
SPEAKER_04:You are the first to try them.
SPEAKER_01:Let's see. Okay. Give them the taste test.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. I thought, you know, these are good biohacker snacks. What do you think?
SPEAKER_00:They're good.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah?
SPEAKER_00:I'm a fan of coffee as well, so.
SPEAKER_04:This could be your energy snack for your ride home.
SPEAKER_00:100%.
SPEAKER_04:Thank you so much for being here today.
SPEAKER_00:Thank you for being the first man on your podcast, too.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, and by the way, I knew you were menopausitive when you downloaded this episode. Thank you so much for joining me today. I love bringing this information to you, and I love that you're taking control of your health. You can follow menopausitive on Instagram, TikTok, and LinkedIn. If you haven't yet, please subscribe, rate, review, and share this podcast. Join me next week as we discover more ways to optimize our bodies. Because together, we're gonna redefine menopause.
SPEAKER_03:I got a good, good feeling.
