Midlife Career change. Second Act, New Direction

We explore the quiet courage of midlife pivots, from the first tug of misalignment to the practical steps that turn lostness into a second act. Stories, signals, values, and rituals guide us to choices that open energy rather than drain it.

• January triggers and career misalignment
• Hormonal shifts and growing discernment
• Leaving high-status roles for meaning
• Lostness as a portal to the next step
• Second acts built with intention
• Relevance traps and overwork patterns
• Feedback as a compass to identity
• Navigating noise and finding real educators
• Parenting phases and evolving purpose
• Values as decision filters
• Vision boards, themes and loose plans
• Following signals and small experiments
• Grieving old selves and keeping their gifts
• Owning the wise rebel and setting boundaries
• Simple practices to reconnect and choose

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Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome & Why January Triggers Change
• 2:55 Midlife Pivots Beyond The Hype
• 4:50 Lisa’s Question: Why The Midlife Call
• 6:04 Hormones, Maturity & Discernment
• 8:02 Blowing Up A High-Status Life
• 12:05 Lostness As A Gateway To Truth
• 15:42 Choosing A Second Act With Intention
• 18:12 Relevance Traps & Overwork
• 21:30 Finding Identity Through Feedback
• 24:30 Educators In A Noisy, AI World
• 27:12 Letting Purpose Evolve In Flux
• 30:10 Motherhood Shifts & New Possibility
• 33:40 Parenting A Young Child While Leading

Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 0:00

Welcome to another episode of the Say It Sister Podcast. Brought to you by Wise Women Lead Founders Karen Harris Kelly and Lucy Barkas.

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This is your space for real unfiltered conversations about womanhood, the messy, the magical, and everything in between.

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We're here to talk about existing, thriving, and empowering ourselves and each other by connecting to our experiences and truths. And saying them out loud. So that we can feel and heal. We're called upon to name the taboos, stigmas, stereotypes, and lies that keep us stuck so we can rise and reign like queens.

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Because when women share, we hold space, inspire action, and create change. We open up spaces and deepen relationships that bring us closer to love and a better world for all. So get comfy, grab your favourite drink, and let's say it's sister. Hey, hey, hey, sisters! It's January, and it is that time when the peak interest in recruitment boards hits. So many professional women between 30 and 55 are feeling that real shift or kind of like a dis-ease with their current roles and the environments that they find themselves in. And a career that may have once fit absolutely perfectly, now might feel a bit tight or misaligned. This is more than post-holiday blues, the new year, new me kind of rush. It's a feeling that the path that we're on isn't right for us anymore or doesn't quite fit. The ladder we've all climbed suddenly looks like we're on the wrong one. And beneath all of the responsibilities and the success and the good life, there's a deeper questioning rising. Is this it? Is this what was meant for me? Hi, Karen.

SPEAKER_01: 1:57

Ah, this episode is so needed, and I'm really looking forward to exploring the truth about midlife pivots or what used to be called the change. You know, not the dramatic quit your job and run away version, but a grounded, courageous realignment into who we are today. We talk about purpose as something that's evolving, not fixed, and really stepping into what's next, even if sometimes the path isn't clear yet. And of course, how everything starts with a seed. Sometimes it's a seed of doubt or a seed of curiosity, or just like that kind of pull to say this isn't it anymore. And when we connect our hopes and our fears to our deeper voices, we discover a depth of meaning which often sparks the next best step. It can be a new chapter or a totally different story. Let's dive in a little bit deeper. Let's start with a question. Lisa, this is over to you. Why do so many women in midlife feel called to make major changes?

SPEAKER_00: 3:00

Um, I think there's part of feeling like I'm a grown-up now. And I think it takes us until that midlife point where we actually start questioning ourselves, who we are, whether we're happy. Um, and we often rush through our 20s and even our early 30s to some uh extent, like doing all the tick lists that we we should be doing to be the good girl or the successful one. And then we get to that point we're like, well, I've done all of that, and something doesn't quite feel right. And I remember it so vividly at you know, various moments in my my 20s and mid-30s, and and I did, I just made made huge leaps, which we can talk about a little bit later, and and I'm really glad that I did because it took me on different paths and stuff, but it wasn't it was almost like uh yeah, misalignment in myself, um like a flatlining or something, and I just like I have to jump, I have to be brave, I just have to do this. However, when you get to the midlife phase, it's different, and I think there's a little bit more discernment that comes in because your body is changing, you're the world around you is changing, you've got more experience, um, you start getting to know yourself, but also questioning everything about yourself at the same time, and so it's a different kind of call in this change, and it's absolutely linked to our hormonal changes um and that perimenopause stage, but it's also this element, like I said, of a little bit of maturity, a questioning. What about you? What do you make of it?

SPEAKER_01: 4:44

Yeah, well, I I did blow up my life, um, you know, in my 30s. I just I reached a point and I was like, this isn't it for me. So I had that awareness, and so I thought, well, I'm gonna have to start doing the work to see what it is then, and went on huge journeys with that, and it did did mean I had to let go of everything I had I had built, and I was really at the top of my game, I was really there, you know, and I was thinking about it last night, I was thinking about my life, and I was thinking about, you know, I was hanging out with rock and roll stars, I was behind the scenes doing work at London Fashion Week, New York Fashion Week with key brands. I was head of communications, I was travelling everywhere, you know, I had teams in New York, LA. Um I just was living this very, very successful, very high-end life. I had the wardrobe to die for, you know, it was like everything was there for me, and yet I'm a soul-searching type woman. And I also felt, even though I had so many people around me, I felt quite lonely. And really, all I wanted was a family to lay down some good roots and to do work that filled my heart with joy. And I did love my work, so it was giving me something, you know, and all the trappings that came with that and the expenses accounts, but I just knew that that wasn't who I really was. But I had a lot of fun while it lasted, and then I got to a point where I was like, I can't do this anymore. I'm I'm cheating myself to the level of um I actually don't know who I am, and I think that was the the bit when I we've been talking a lot about feeling lost, and I think because I did it slightly earlier, I had these experiences of going, I am completely lost, I'm completely lost, and I don't know I'm lost. And then it was like, I'm completely lost and I know I'm lost, and that was the moment when I was able to articul articulate how lost I was and align myself back in with okay, it's okay to get lost. I think that's part of our life's journey to be honest. But who am I inside and what does give me joy? And it wasn't the life I was living, so then I had to ch I had to go, and it was one thing at a time. I didn't just go, I'm leaving everything, but I started gradually slowly. Actually, I started bold, I quit my job, and it kind of went from there, and then I left London, and I just I just allowed life to unfold and I was very free actually. And I look back and I, you know, we're gonna talk about this later, like the bits that we need to sort of let go of and mourn. Um, I miss that party girl because I miss how energized and crazy and wild she was, and some of the stories I've got are like I mean, they make my eyes water on so many different levels. And sometimes I I I was thinking about this story the other night, and I'm not gonna share it because it's just too much, but I will share it with you later. And I was like almost like crying with laughter to myself, having this memory that came back and of just how crazy I was and how inappropriate I was, and I was like, oh my god, it's making my eyes water, like you know, on so many levels, and I'm gonna tell you later about that story, unless we dub it out. Um, you know, I was like, Who is she? And I think you know, we we go through these phases and like bringing it back to this point, you know, then midlife hits, and we're like, we've got l our energies sort of different, we're a little bit sluggish, or we're overwhelmed and we're manic, we can be all of those things in on different days. And we're like, I don't know who I am, I'm not feeling like myself anymore. And it feels like a crisis, but it's also a massive opportunity. And for me, that calling for help, knowing who to go to, what to sign up to, where to put your energy is really important because that will lead to you know that unfolding as we step into the space of who we really are, and that it feels like a becoming, but actually she's right inside, and it's that different version of us that are slightly more mature, you would say, older, the matriarchal wisdom that we all have, and we have it as children as well. And a lot of people are calling it the second act, which I think is brilliant. And I I've got clients who are like, I'm on to my second act, and they are really they've been through some hard stuff, and now they're embracing their second act because they've gone, it's up to me, I have a choice, I can choose to stay as be part of that, or I can choose to be part of this other thing here that's unfolding for me, and they're stepping in. And I've got a lot of people starting new new roles this year, you know, and and going at it from a different place, from a place and intention to it, hasn't it?

SPEAKER_00: 9:15

When you're doing making these choices in midlife, um, and I see that as well. I've got quite a few of uh people in my circle who have made complete pivots. Um, and when they tell me, I'm like, where did that come from? But actually, when they tell me the story of their thinking, it's like, yeah, that makes total sense. And then I've got other people in my circle who are resisting it, they they're not ready to let go yet. So they're they are saying yes to things um because they're seeing actually younger um colleagues getting promoted above them, and often they are younger men, and they're like, I have to stay relevant. So they're pushing themselves and taking more on and taking more commitments, and it's it may they may think it's pleasing their employer, um, but actually, you know, they're just they're just being sucked dry, and so I'm just waiting for that pivot moment when they're like, I just can't do this anymore. Um, and I just wanted to reflect back on, you know, you were talking about your heydays, um, and probably at the same time I was there with a young family, married with a young family, and I did all of my wild stuff um in my very early 20s and my teens. Um and there there does become a a different energy to the decisions that you make and the blowing up of your lives in your 20s and 30s. I still went for great promotions and you know, brilliant jobs and things like that, but there was always a consideration that I'm not completely free. Um, and even when I left the corporate world, it was because a redundancy offer came up and they said you could look for a job internally, and I and I started looking at the jobs internally, and everything felt flat, nothing got me excited, and that's when I knew that I was a little bit lost because I couldn't see my way through of you know staying in the industry, but equally I didn't know where else to go. I'd never run my own business, I'd never worked in another industry, so I felt completely lost. And so I started asking lots of questions, and I remember going to all of my, you know, the people who mattered to me who I trusted within the organization, and I said, What would you think of if you thought of me? And the words that were coming back were things like, You're an empowerer, you believe in us, you're a um a team builder, you're an inspirer, and then something just landed, and somebody just said, You're a coach, and it just was like everything just stopped for that moment. I was like, Yes, I am, and that was the journey that took me. So, so wherever you are in your life, um, whether you are in that mid-30s point or you know, towards your your late 50s, I think when you start asking those questions about who you are, what matters to me, where am I, am I supposed to be on this path? It might feel like you're just getting yourself even more lost. But I guarantee at some point something will just land and you'll be like, yes, that's it. That's always been my experience, and I know that's been your experience too.

SPEAKER_01: 12:22

100%, 100%, and it's always evolving, isn't it? But I think the work we do today, we were also doing that work in our old careers. We were always backing people and giving people our time and listening intently and um really getting into the crux of actually what's really going on here. Like I'm not interested in the superficial, I never have been, but I did live a superficial life, but underneath it all, when I was with people, I was always digging, you know, I was like there digging, digging, digging. That's what's really going on, and um and then it just made sense really to evolve. And I think the big thing that I'm thinking about these days is there's a need for education. Like we are coaches, we are leaders, we're also educators, we're also educating people on what's really happening in the world because of the illusions that exist, because of you don't know what to believe anymore. Like people are not consuming news for various reasons. Um, so they're going onto their phones and they're looking at social media, and we've got lots of influencers out there that are um presenting themselves as experts with no expertise, no real, they haven't done the hours, they haven't done the work, you know, and it's hard to know who to follow, who to really listen to. And I feel like this place of education for me in the world of AI is becoming more and more important because it's so easy to get information, but actually, where's the real information coming from? And I I follow the people who I go, that person is solid, that person is a true professional, that person really knows their stuff, and they're not just saying it because they've got it from AI, but they're saying it because behind the scenes they are the ones doing the work with women, with men, or whatever you know we're going for, and they they're speaking it from a space of like real deep truth, which is the work that we're doing. Um, so I've gone off on a tangent there, but it it it feels important, it feels important to sort of bring that back in because as a source of information, we all, you know, we all have our own wisdom, but we are also looking on the outside world and we're wanting to be sort of you know, this guidance, this leadership, this um who do I follow? I think is really important. But let's bring it back to this being in flux, this place of you know, how do we let our purposes evolve as we're still evolving as well? What views have you got on that?

SPEAKER_00: 14:34

So I'm gonna talk about myself a little bit um again, um, because I am absolutely in flux at the moment because my children are both reaching adulthood, and um, this year both of them will complete their formal education, and so they will be adults making their way out into the world. And what I'm really becoming aware of is that this tiny bit of letting go has been happening for a fair few number of years now, like little bits where they can start getting more um independent, they want to make their own decisions, and then I'm there guiding them, but not telling them what to do. So bit by bit, this this flux from I am in my mother stage where it's all me nurturing them to actually taking a step back, but then comes the reality of oh my god, they're adults now, and my role has completely changed. So my purpose is still to nurture and love and be a mother, but actually there's a little bit now about mothering me, um, but also about you know, before I get into my nana stage, the the crone stage, I'm like in this in-between period, and I'm kind of like giving myself a decade to think actually, if I've got 10 10 more years of kind of being free without children, without uh, while I've still got my health and I've still got my passion and my um ambition, what is truly possible? And I think that's a really lovely place to be. I haven't got any of the answers, by the way. Um, but um, but it's a real it's a real gifted area, and so I think we're all in this flux of depending on where we are in our lives and how much energy we've got and our health and our well-being and all of that kind of stuff that's going on. That sometimes we feel like we can move in fast, sometimes we need to you know go it within, and I've definitely done that this winter. Um, but I'm not rushing into anything, I'm I'm being a bit more discerning about the decisions, and I'm just letting things unfold. But who knows? Next month I might have a load of energy and I'm like in it again. It's in so hopefully that's made sense.

SPEAKER_01: 16:50

I know it makes total sense. I'm in a different life phase with being a mum of a seven-year-old girl, so it's totally different for me. So, what you were talking about earlier resonates a lot because I feel like I have so many considerations to make all the time, like everything is weighing up with family life because I have to. I have to, I'm a the primary caregiver, so I have to consider her within she's within my business, you know, she's in within my business model. It's as simple as that. You're in this different phase, and I feel like it's it's part of me is going like almost like take a deep breath, you know, take another breath, Karen, because that is gonna be my future. Um, and yeah, it feels like a long time away. And I also see that I see that in you, that drive and that determination to be really like, let me do it, Karen, let me do it. Don't worry about my about my time. Like I I'm I can do that, I can be it. And it it's really inspiring because it's it is a touch point on me in the past. So it's really strange. It's almost like we have we're we're living we're the same age, we're living through the same phases, we've got the same similar experiences in our perimenopause journey, and yet we're sort of like giving each other views, uh or you know, there's like that woman that you see in the mirror that's reflecting back to you, something that's becoming, and it's it it makes me stop and go, like the need for the breath of going, Karen, that's your future, you know, that's your future, you're not there yet, but it's your future, and then I'll be like really I'll be probably in the nana stage by then. Um so yeah, and I I have this this big trust of everything working out as it needs to for each one of us, and not you know, whilst we see the glimmers and the um the reflections of ourselves in other women, we have our own journeys to make, and you know, wherever we are is just is just exactly where we need to be. And it brings me into this state of flux again. And I think as women, the thing that we forget that is our superpower is that we live in flux all the time. Our hormonal changes, our monthly cycles or our non-monthly cycles, our body is built for constant change, and we know how to navigate that because we we've done it since we hit puberty. So, from uh for us, actually, we what we don't know very well, what we're not designed to do is flat line. We're not designed for that. We're designed to be this emotional flux change energy in the world, and we are brilliant at going, that's not working, something else is needed. The energy there's an energy shift required. Um, we need harmony, we need we need conflict, we need different discussions. Like we're brilliant at that, and that's why we're such amazing leaders. Um, but we're also in constant state of change, and I think we what we've been trained or told that we need to be flat line and and you know, baseline all the time and stable, I'm gonna use that word, um, and this perfect balance thing, and it's just an illusion because that's not how we're designed to be. And when we can embrace that, we can embrace the power of it and the soft energy of it, as opposed to trying to force ourselves into like moulds that were never designed for us. And when I think about letting my purpose evolve. I just go always go back into what have I always done and been? I've always been kind. I've always been extremely loving and generous. For me, I've always cared so much about other people, to my own fault sometimes, and I've learnt to reset that. And I want to leave the world better for me being here. So therefore I have to make very conscious choices. And so when I go back to that, it sets me straight. It's like if if I make that decision, am I opening things up or am I closing things down? Am I in a creative place or am I reacting from negativity? Am I um I shutting things off, shutting people down, you know, or am I co-creating with them? Um do I have all the answers to everything? No, I don't. Do I want to? No, I don't. I think the th the thing that I get tricked up and tripped by is that I have a need to know and a need to control, and I have to let go of that and I have to keep reminding myself that I can't possibly know and I don't need to be in control. But what I need to know is how to sort of come back in and and and regulate myself and calm myself down and then go again. So it's that piece for me. And I've been doing mood boards for 22 years, and the years when I didn't do those mood boards or those vision boards, they were really strange years for me. Um, so the other thing I want to say is it's really important to have some idea of without controlling it of what you want, who you are, and how these two pieces fit together, and then to sort of be back into that flux and flow. So it's like holding space for many different things in one time, but there's a power in it and there's a magic in it. And I feel like if if we can take the time to tune in, listen to what's happening, look at where we're at in our life, look at what we want more of, what we want less of, and stay connected to that throughout our year and keep coming back to it, we're gonna get led. And we'll know, we'll know what to do, and that's all we need. So it's a very loose, loose plan.

SPEAKER_00: 22:06

Yeah, and I'm all for that because um so many times I've set real clear goals, and then actually life happens and you get steered off, and you then you feel pretty crap, you know, you're like, I'm a failure. So yeah, now I tend to look at themes or intentions for the year rather than setting hard goals, yeah. Um and coming from a sales performance um manager's background, you know, to go against targets and goals and milestones, it was quite radical when I first rejected it. But the the one thing that has been my greatest guiding light, because I I too do vision boards, and I do like my um my oracle cards of the year, but I always come back to notice the notice the signals. So if there is a recurring uh feeling like if you're working with somebody with a particular energy, or you're going to that meeting and you're so checked out from the same conversation, or whether it's the office politics or it's the commute or whatever the thing is that is making you feel uneasy or energy draining, just keep noticing those signals. Now it might be that it's at a certain time of the month, every full moon or every dark moon that you start feeling like this, and so that's a signal, but it might be that it is just certain people, certain situations, or it might be that you're just bored because you've reached as far as you're going to go in this job, in this phase one, and you think I need something new. And it doesn't have to be something radical, it might just be a shift or two to the left or to the right. Or I always said that careers are a little bit like a game of chess, you know, it's not just going directly forward. Sometimes you have to take um a sidewards or a diagonal move, but uh noticing those signals, those coincidences, the people that come into your lives, maybe it's a certain post that you've seen on LinkedIn that suddenly appears, you know. Hmm, that's interesting. Just get curious about it and just notice how does it excite you? Does it get you curious? Does it make some yeah, like ramp up your energy again? And if so, follow it. You don't have to quit your job and go and do it, but just get curious. And I think that's something that's always led me and other people.

SPEAKER_01: 24:24

Follow the energy, absolutely, and it is one step at a time, isn't it? And it might be that it's working with a different leader within the current company you work for. It could be that you need a different level of leadership, you know, or maybe you want to step into a different level of leadership yourself. It you know, it goes on and on and on. I think sometimes we think we've got to change everything, sometimes we do, sometimes we don't, you know, and it's knowing when, you know, and that's where our wisdom comes back in, and just investigating. I think I always say to people, just be becoming the best in a detective of your own, you know, experience and be that in a detective for yourself. Um, you know, because that's really where the information lies, that's where the next steps lie as well. And and we're not really taught to do that, are we? So we have to learn these skills of like deep listening, deep sort of focus, like putting the spotlight inside. Oh, what was that about? I'm feeling this, you know, and you just start to build and you start to feel more connected, and that certainly helps with feeling lost. That was certainly my journey. I didn't know I was gonna do the extreme things that I did, I just followed it. Um the other question is what are you grieving as you let go of the old identities? Or you know, I have you experienced this yet? Where are you with that?

SPEAKER_00: 25:39

So um it was about two weeks ago I was at um a wolf moon ceremony, and I was doing this guided meditation, and um and it was really quite profound because in this visualization, the person that I needed so it the the message was what are you letting go of in the year um past? But actually, it was my 22-year-old self that came to visit me, and I realized that actually I need to let go or grieve her, because even now when I think of myself, I still think that I look 22 because it was when I felt my most free, my most empowered, my bravest, um most pert, and with the curves in all the right places, you know, it was like what I'd say was my perfect version of me in my mind's eye. And although that girl is still within me, um, because we never shed ourselves completely, um she has gone. And you know, it is a good yeah, 20 odd years later. And so I allowed myself to grieve her to know that she's not coming back, even if I was to go and have facelifts and you know, like fillers, and you know, I will never be her again, not only physically, but actually emotionally. I've birthed two children, I've had divorces, I've done different careers, I've learnt so much. I will never be that naive and full of wonder. Um, and I think it's also the fact that my daughter will soon be that age, and I see her whole life ahead of her, and I'm like, no, I don't want to be there anymore. So, so that was a big thing for me to grieve that I am no longer the maiden. Um, and yes, now I am grieving that um I'm no longer the mother in the same way. I'm not quite out of that phase yet, but it's happening. Um, but it makes set space then for the wise me, the discerning me, the the more creative and almost like spiritual version of me that allows space. So I think when you grieve something, you have to also notice what you're bringing forth or what gifts you can now now go do. What about yourself? What what are you grieving?

SPEAKER_01: 27:58

In parts I do grieve the party girl because she just loved being out and she was vibrant and you know she would always find the party and I could get anywhere when I was her. Like I went, you know, I went on tour with Oasis and Liam Gallagher said to me, You could get where water doesn't. And that there was just this part of me that was like, of course I'm going to get into that, of course I'm going to, you know, like find my way through that. Like there's no doubt, absolutely no doubt. I was like, that's where I'm going. And I and I got there. And I missed that because there was an energy energy to it. Um, and I still I still find parts of me, you know, she's still in there, she still has wisdom to give me around how I managed to do that. But I just I don't have the same, I just don't have that. It's more like I'm more questioning these days. I you know, I'd be like, oh God, no, what if you know, what if I get turned away? I mean, not that I want, I don't want to be backstage um at a gig. I'm not interested in that. I've done that stuff. I feel very much like I've done that, but what I what I loved was her approach and her energy and her like the the no-doubt, you know, that was the that's the bit that I miss, I think, if I look back at it. And that's the bit that I want to cultivate more of in my life today. Because I still need that, you know, because as as business owners, we need that energy for us to get, you know, to be to get where, you know, he also said to me, You can sell you could sell coal to the miners, you know, which again is just a brilliant statement. And when I think about it, it makes me laugh, it makes me smile because I think, God, that person you could I could sell anything, even though I wasn't in sales. People just believe me, and you know, I think I still can do that, but I am just not as ballsy as I used to be. Um, and then the other one is that I left her behind and I became this yoga type person, and I also miss her because now I I can't be bothered to do yoga anymore. And I like when I think about how much space I had in my life and how much travelling I was doing things all the time, I was going on retreats, and I was leading retreats, I was very free in my work and very free in my expression, and I don't feel like that anymore. I feel much more like home-based and contained. Um, but I also the idea of going to any yoga class, I did try quite a few things last year, and I was like, I don't want to be here, I don't want to be here. This is but they're annoying me. I don't like the way they talk. Um, so it's like that old part of me that I just was I was in that, and now I don't it doesn't fit for me anymore, and now I'm much more like direct to the point, can't be bothered with the wolsey. Um, you know, what exactly are we saying here? Can we get to it? That's where I am now, and that's the that kind of very um I don't know what even know what name to give it because it's got it could be so many costs so many things. It's like I haven't got the time or the energy for this, get to the point, and let's go.

SPEAKER_00: 30:49

I think it's um it so where we might have been a little bit whimsier, but look like, hey, let's have a go, it might be interested. Now it's like, oh, and there's it's almost like a bit of a a gnarliness to it. So I've been there, done that. Um, but that's that is what I think um I'm really appreciate about this stage, and this is for all women out there, you know, if you're looking at your your colleague and you've just got no tolerance or you've got low tolerance for their intolerance or their BS, notice it and allow your gnarliness to come out from time to time because you probably spend the first 40-50 years of your life being a good girl and smiling, and actually they don't deserve it. So um, yeah, notice it. Um, allow the inner inner rebel, the teenager. The rebel is definitely the rebel, that's exactly the right thing. Let it out and see where it takes you. Because actually, there are things that um you wanted to probably rebel against in your teenage years, which you weren't allowed to because you were still a bit of a kid, whereas now you're a full grown ass woman. If you don't like something, you don't have to do it.

SPEAKER_01: 31:55

And it's taking me back to those memories, you know, when you you're in the coaching classroom and stuff and you're playing in the sandpit, and like you they they give you some weird brief, you know, and you're like, no one really knows what the brief is, so everyone's a bit like, What do we do? One eye open, one eye close, are we meditated? What are we doing? You know, and and you realise that looking back and realize that no one knew what they were doing, but we just made it up anyway. And so then you ended up somewhere and you'd be like, No, no idea. You know what I mean? And it's it's like it's funny to look back on it and think, you know, and I and I I've actually been in those rooms where people go, What are we doing? And I'm like, I don't know, well, I don't know either. Okay, well we'll just go with the flow, shall we? It's crazy, it's crazy to look back on that, you know. That's like 10 years, 12 years ago, whatever, and just think, Does anyone know what they're doing?

SPEAKER_00: 32:38

I think it's that kind of you know what? Most of us don't. And I say this to like my um my friends when they because they all want to talk about leadership because they've all got leaders, um, and that's my field. And I just say, look, most of them haven't got a freaking clue what they're doing. Um, most of them are lost, most of them are quite lonely. Um, and that's why they they come to people like me. But no, don't put so much faith in them and just realise that we're all just human, we're trying to figure it out. Nobody actually has the answers. Um, and so that's where you've got to go back to our original point about checking in with yourself um with that bit of discernment before you go and rush in like a fool, because you probably could have got away with it in your teens and twenties, whereas now the stakes are a little bit higher. Um, which is energy is also lower, and energy is lower what let's be truthful. Yeah. No, but let's wrap up now because um, yeah, the energy is fading, the force is low with us now. Over to you to to wrap up.

SPEAKER_01: 33:41

I want to say the importance really just to land in the importance of having that solid practice, whatever it might be, that thing that reconnects you back in to you into that moment, work on that. I think that's my that's my wish, my desire, my hope for anyone listening that we can just be like this is my go-to, this is what I do, to reconnect to who I am so that I can make the best decision in this moment and so that I can take this next step. And if you can stay in that space and keep doing that all the way through this year, have the ideas of the things that you love, work out what you don't love, and just keep following that, you're going to end up in a in a great place by the end of this year. So please keep us updated of your journey. You can send us messages via the Say It Sister app or via the Say It Sister um social media handles, and we're always around to answer any questions as well. So keep in touch with us and let us know how you're getting on. Thanks for listening. It's time to keep saying it, sister.

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And remember, your voice has power and your essence is wisdom. So speak your truth and live a true and empowered life. Until next time, say it, sister.